Are the Ascians truly wrong?

[Tlamila]

Yes, they are wrong, andf their motivations are purely selfish.
But honestly I would say, finishing the story will help you get a way clearer picture of the situation and motivations.

[Jennah]

Even if they were in the right, their plan would lead to the death of everyone who wasn't an Ascian. Except possibly the WoL, maybe.
Can't see us supporting Plan "Everyone you've ever known, pretty much everyone there is, and possibly yourself is gonna die". Even if it *is* somehow the right thing to do.

[Kusanagi7]

i dont really care for their motivations causing genocide is never right.

[Alleo]

They do not plan to keep the planet alive though. So it would be bad for everyone.

Also I just dont see how its more stable for the rest. Right now we have no scenes ingame where its shown that the shards are unstable. They seemingly function just fine and just because we have no long life or that huge power does not give them the right to take the peoples life away. Look at the dragons..immortality is not always that great..seemingly its those immortal races that cant get over tragedy and death.

That also falls on perspective. To them we were considered slightly more than insects that made homes on the broken pieces of their home they were trying to rebuild. As such in their eyes they likely viewed it similar to humans removing nests of hornets, mice, rats, etc. Something we would readily label horrific when done to us but often commit to other forms of life in the name of progress or whatever.

Yeah this is how Emet tries to spin his tale as not murder. But lets not forget that they plan to sacrifice the completed people too. So at that part even their logic fails because the people would be whole again and no longer mere copies, mere insects anymore. And seeing who we are, there is no doubt that there are more like that reborn too. So they are even killing those that were once their people.

He is just trying to spin it like a lot of dictators do in real life. Just lower those people down and suddenly you can try and tell yourself that its not that wrong because they are not human. Does not change the fact that they are sentient and sapient beings.

[hynaku]

The root of it all was Hydaelyn but splitting world up into 13 shards which through nature out of balance and has cause huge amount of deaths. Zodiark is the true god and Hydaelyn was created primal because ones was to afraid of Zodiark after he restored order to the world. Ascians isn't wrong what there doing. The true evil one is Hydaelyn if she wouldn't split world up there would have never had Sin Eaters and the light flood happen on the source which killed most the world off. I'm pretty sure one these days will have to fight Hydaelyn to restore the balance. Before Hydaelyn was created everyone live forever like the how ascians do unless there killed.

[Alleo]

The root of it all was Hydaelyn but splitting world up into 13 shards which through nature out of balance and has cause huge amount of deaths. Zodiark is the true god and Hydaelyn was created primal because ones was to afraid of Zodiark after he restored order to the world. Ascians isn't wrong what there doing. The true evil one is Hydaelyn if she wouldn't split world up there would have never had Sin Eaters and the light flood happen on the source which killed most the world off.

What?

Zodiark is a primal too...he is no true god at all. Hydealyn was only summoned because after everything was over they did not stop with their sacrifice and planned to do more of it. Which part of their own people disagreed with! The split also did not kill people since you need those alive to have new life..if everyone died then there would be no new life. All of the rejoinings and the sin eaters were done by the Ascians.

I know that one can see stories different and that is fine but I really wonder how you got to that point.

[Xau]

What we don't know is the other worlds that are still life bearing. What is going on in these worlds? Perhaps they are suffering immensely from the worlds being separated? Perhaps they are fighting to rejoin the worlds as well? Time will only tell, I for one am looking forward to how the story plays out.

as far is know, every reflection is generally ignorant what they are but one piece of a whole world what existed once, so no, i don't tink so what one or more of the other reflections are working to make a rejoining
as for the part of suffering, that usualy happens by ascian intervention most of the time, they say the right words to the right person, and you know what happens after

[Xion136]

The root of it all was Hydaelyn but splitting world up into 13 shards which through nature out of balance and has cause huge amount of deaths. Zodiark is the true god and Hydaelyn was created primal because ones was to afraid of Zodiark after he restored order to the world. Ascians isn't wrong what there doing. The true evil one is Hydaelyn if she wouldn't split world up there would have never had Sin Eaters and the light flood happen on the source which killed most the world off. I'm pretty sure one these days will have to fight Hydaelyn to restore the balance. Before Hydaelyn was created everyone live forever like the how ascians do unless there killed.

Zodiark was the first made primal. The will of the former star made manifest. The Ascians sacrificed thousands, if not millions, of people to save their star. A good portion could not take the constant sacrifice and created Hydaelyn to put a stop to it, which created the current Sundering.

Before Hydaelyn, the world was falling. What you could say was the First Calamity. And zodiark was made to stop it. At a cost that the 14th Member of the Convocation left over. Thousands of people.

No. Hydaelyn is not the cause of this. Voidsent, Sin Eaters? Both the cause of the Ascians attempting to create a rejoining.

The fate of the 1st and 13th are directly linked to an all powerful race unable to let go of their old world, and help the new. Because Amaurot was not good. It was ambivalent to even the worries of others. If not for Hydaelyn, then even more people would have died, more living creatures. Just to bring back the dead. And we don't even know if it would have worked.

Didn't work for the Ananta Broodmother.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I haven't played in a few months, so my memory is a bit fuzzy. If I remember correctly, the Ascians are trying to cause an event known as the Rejoining which is suppose to fuse each individual realm back into one. From our perspective, that is to say the PC's, the Rejoining would destroy our home and take innumerable lives. However, I think we're missing the bigger picture here.

Keep in mind, I've only made it as far as the Rak'Tika Greatwood portion of the story, and my memory is fuzzy as previously stated. Wouldn't the Rejoining possibly bring about a whole, and thus possibly more stable, world for whatever creatures take up residence on the new world? That alone could mean so much more, like less hostile flora and fauna, a greater abundance of food, greater population growth, etc. This is just conjecture on my part, but I always try to look at things without bias.

In Skyrim, Alduin was to eat the world so the next could be born. While Alduin himself is a douche, that isn't because of his title as World Eater. In WoW, Sargeras wanted to wipe out all the planets because there was no way to know which planets had been corrupted by the Void Lords. However, he knew another universe would be born soon after the destruction of the current one. I'm sure there are other games with similar stories that I haven't thought of, but you get the point.

So let's discuss this shall we, in a civil manner please. Are the Ascians wrong for wanting to bring about the Rejoining?

I believe the Ascians are wrong.

Just because their society was destroyed...through their own doing no less, doesn't give them the right to arbitrarily destroy the civilizations that emerged afterwards just so they can have their old world back... and likely end up in the same boat again at some point.

I personally believe that the incidents which led the Ascians to summon Zodiark for the first time were of their own making due to the fact that they were such aether dense beings. It's possible that their collective subconscious started summoning the nightmares that led them to Zodiark. It's also possible that the Ascians who summoned Hydaelyn realized this and intended for the fracturing of the world to happen to diffuse their people's aetherial density among several reflections so that such a calamity could never happen again.

The Ascians trying to restore their old existence are wrong because they would wipe out countless civilizations to achieve their goal with little regard for all that would be lost because they don't even see the reflections as real enough to be worthy of existence. They are arrogant and prideful, and their pride was their downfall. Even now the Ascian hubris knows no bounds, even though us "mere reflections" have permanently killed more than one of them now.

Bottom line? Killing entire worlds just so you can have your old life back is wrong.

[Gula]

Even if they were in the right, their plan would lead to the death of everyone who wasn't an Ascian. Except possibly the WoL, maybe.
Can't see us supporting Plan "Everyone you've ever known, pretty much everyone there is, and possibly yourself is gonna die". Even if it *is* somehow the right thing to do.

Everyone who was not a sundered ancient, would die. And those who were at some point an ancient would come back, sorta.

Ardbert and the WoL saved from the Void, they are more akin to siblings. Same source, different offspring. If the rejoining were to happen, I believe it would be like all of your DNA being hit with a rewind button until you are lost, your family is lost, and returned to being where you started from.