Butt is flat again... Patch 5.15

[QT_Melon]

That is because of the pose...

Also, the height slider enlarges the size of your entire character. You can look like you have a much bigger bust compared to another if one is taller than the other.

No the Miqote suffer more due to the fact, the tail is something that causes more clipping and issues. That's why it's more drastic reduction on cat girls than other races .

Also in terms of importance, could it be that a large cross section of the player base worry about glamours? Than say sections that are into PVP, Tanking etc. Hardcores and Casuals will be more into glamour options and therefore would outright make a huger fuss about it than say, a smaller section of players that do savage - especially since clear rates are much smaller on the NA side.

So it makes sense that this thread or threads like this will blow up more than other things, regardless if you feel it important or not. Just not sure why people miss that part of logic.

There's also the fact, this got put into the General forum because it was a little bit more difficult to pinpoint where it belongs (Items and Synthesis...maybe..?) Where threads about Housing which is another problem do have forums more relevant.

Also this is a day and age where people would like to have characters look like them or something they can identify with ethically. That would include some body shapes. Granted, you can't really expect so much with the fact that they do need to fit A LOT of gear pieces in game to match up with characters, but when it did show the possibility to have well...a BUTT with few problems (yes it did clip, but seems to affect a minority of outfits) it's understandable why people are frustrated.

I think male characters need some love in that department as well.

[SturmChurro]

Also in terms of importance, could it be that a large cross section of the player base worry about glamours? Than say sections that are into PVP, Tanking etc. Hardcores and Casuals will be more into glamour options and therefore would outright make a huger fuss about it than say, a smaller section of players that do savage - especially since clear rates are much smaller on the NA side.

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Granted, you can't really expect so much with the fact that they do need to fit A LOT of gear pieces in game to match up with characters, but when it did show the possibility to have well...a BUTT with few problems (yes it did clip, but seems to affect a minority of outfits) it's understandable why people are frustrated.

You definitely are talking to the wrong person about. All I ever do is play this game for is dressup, and making glamours. I don't actually do "content". I literally couldn't care less about savage, I don't do it. Waste of time, don't care about min-maxing. I hardly use food. I haven't even got my tank a full 450 set, because I can't stand Eden. My only motivation for doing any particular piece of content is what kind of cosmetic am I going to get (mount or gear), or just out of routine. I play alone, I don't interact with anybody in game, I use the forums when I want to chat, or spam somebody on discord. So yes, to me glamour is very important. I am part of that playerbase that thinks glamour is important. I want the mogstation team to add more quality outfits to the mogstation so I can buy it. Even if I only like the gloves, I will pay $18 to get them.

However, this was overblown, utterly. People over here acting like it's the end of the world because they can't put panties on... I'll be real here again, those bottoms don't make quality glams. The majority of the "glams" - if you can even call them that - I have seen with the 2b bottoms look awful. They look bad. On the subject of 2b, again, the boots also make your character's legs look skinny as heck, it just looks terrible. Now, don't get me wrong I still advocate for player choice, if they want to look ridiculous, whatever, but don't act like a vanilla sized behind was such a big deal. You didn't even have it a month ago. This is objectively, in whatever sense you look at it, not as "important" an issue as people claim. It doesn't matter, it effects nothing, other issues in the game deserve that kind of attention more. I can have my opinion too.

Now, I'll read something about "just cause you don't like them doesn't mean..". No, I like them on that one outfit I have made where they make sense. It would suck if I had to remake that ninja glam I never use, but I would move on and just make another. The PvP mask clips horribly, and the elbows have these square things that ruin the whole look anyway, but I can't take those off because they are part of the chest, and even if they weren't and they were a part of the gloves, the gloves match so they gotta stay. You also have the boots where, the top looks a bit too... furturistic, it has metal on it, so you almost always have to use the boots. There are very few boots that match close enough anyway. It's a lot of hard work. UGH. Honestly, at least on the ninja top the 2b bottoms only barely match, and that is because of the shoulders. The ninja top has this like red hue, that ruins the metallic dyes, and the front of the chest down to the bottoms has that hue, so using a metallic dye with the ninja pvp top looks out of place. Now the dragoon top dyes well with metallic, everything matches, even if you couple it with 2b bottoms. Problem with making that a dragoon set though, is like it doesn't match the class at all. It matches ninja perfectly, like, I literally wish I could trade the dragoon set for the ninja set, I even like the lights better. Granted, the scaevan daggers have the PERFECT color to match the top, but I could probably find better daggers, especially if I could find some with red lighting. Maybe an animation effect, that would be cool. Scaevan daggers have this nasty red on the hilt of the blades that clash with my ninja's glam. It's not that noticeable, granted, but I really could use some better weapons.

And yeah apparently it clipped when people sat down, I still don't know who actually sits down in this game. Non-issue.

[lolicon09]

And yeah apparently it clipped when people sat down, I still don't know who actually sits down in this game. Non-issue.

I honestly find this a little weird. I used 2B ass alonside many different chest pieces that are long enough to also work as skirts, and also healer gowns, and i cannot remember any clipping at all in the few times i sat to take some screenshots, or go AFK for a moment

[Rasikko]

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Oh please keep on being real, I really enjoyed reading that.

Glamour is a important to me as well, though not as important as the one thing SE is beginning to depart from..

Many people /sit. I do it too, though to a lesser extent now that I have /lean.

2B legs looked nice on my Viera(them long legs) but the dirty-ish parts of the shoes were an undesirable focal point for my eyes.

In fact there's always that one part of a gear that ruins the whole thing, and even if it isn't, you know it's gonna be the part that wont dye

Shoes are tough for me. Can't find many that go well with the style I go for.

I don't want more things in the mogstation. I feel something like glamour should be readily available to all, and not be gated in any particular way. No need to pay more to look cool, you're already doing that with your sub.

[SturmChurro]

Oh please keep on being real, I really enjoyed reading that.

Glamour is a important to me as well, though not as important as the one thing SE is beginning to depart from..

Many people /sit. I do it too, though to a lesser extent now that I have /lean.

2B legs looked nice on my Viera(them long legs) but the dirty-ish parts of the shoes were an undesirable focal point for my eyes.

In fact there's always that one part of a gear that ruins the whole thing, and even if it isn't, you know it's gonna be the part that wont dye

Shoes are tough for me. Can't find many that go well with the style I go for.

I don't want more things in the mogstation. I feel something like glamour should be readily available to all, and not be gated in any particular way. No need to pay more to look cool, you're already doing that with your sub.

Yeah, the 2b boots can look decent, personally I think they look better in a long skirt or dress. Every time I have used them with shorts or something they just end up looking weird. I forgot about that nasty dirt texture on the boots, I remember it makes white look especially bad. Actually, I thought white was kind of the worst colors overall for the 2b set.

There are a bunch of decent shoes, unfortunately a lot of nice ones are in the mogstation, I know because I bought the sets for them. It really depends on what kind of look you are going for, sometimes simple is the best option. I have this one glam with that crafted leather jacket, and the crossover event from some FF character forgot his name boots, and glove. They all match really well. Or I have the summer sandals (wearing them currently) these would go with more things than you think, and their base color is white which is always a plus when you don't have to dye gear. Also, sneakers from gold saucer fashion event that go great with a lot of looks, casual, or not. There needs to be a glamour thread made here for people to show work in progress glams, ask or give suggestions in it. That would be cool.

Well, the mogstation team is seperate, so whatever they make is just a bonus. I'm fine with that as long as what they release is quality.