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  1. #351
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Yes, they are talking about "regression" and "censorship" regarding this issue, you and they have both pointed to the same bug report, made today by a fan about this issue, and somehow this adds up to a pattern of SE censoring things.

    What are the other things? Where is the pattern of things that SE has done that are in the same vein as but not involving this one 2B model?
    I have literally replied to you about this before... maybe you missed it..(?) Then you misunderstood me. I was being sarcastic.

    Your post here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5254754

    and

    my post here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5254760

    It's literally one post down from your post. I also don't understand how you could have taken my post as my thoughts when I literally said

    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    The pattern of SE being "regressive", and "censoring" the booty what else. It's like the number one diatribe.

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tt-enhancement

    Just read the title of this "bug report".

    How do you even take this as me saying my thoughts, or me claiming this is a pattern with SE? To add even more like 90% of my posts are disputing that "Fact" in the first place. Another one:

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post5253890

    I am talking about other people here, and how ridiculous the thought is that SE would be doing this because they are "regressive" or trying to censor, I was just echoing those thoughts. Nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    How do you even take this as me saying my thoughts, or me claiming this is a pattern with SE? To add even more like 90% of my posts are disputing that "Fact" in the first place.
    Post 341: I asked the other poster "where's the pattern?"

    Post 343: your first reply

    Post 345: I asked if you were being sarcastic, or if I'd misunderstood

    Post 349: you said I'd misunderstood the first post, implying you weren't being sarcastic.

    Post 353: now you say you are being sarcastic and why would I assume otherwise?

    I'm not asking you to explain unless you're agreeing with the other poster. You seemed to be. If not, then I'm waiting for the other poster to explain.
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    i dont think this is regressive at all, in fact this is empowering. now male and female have the same butt volume!!!
    all butt is equal, squeenix single handedly destroyed the wagebutt's gap
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    It would be better if we all had big butts rather than no butts at all, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Yes, they are talking about "regression" and "censorship" regarding this issue, you and they have both pointed to the same bug report, made today by a fan about this issue, and somehow this adds up to a pattern of SE censoring things.

    What are the other things? Where is the pattern of things that SE has done that are in the same vein as but not involving this one 2B model?

    Regression is not "censorship", it's a specific software engineering term for when a "fix" causes a new bug in an existing feature.

    This is precisely what has happened here.

    The "fix" has caused greater impact than the "bug" it was intending to resolve.

    The proper course is for it to be caught in QA before it goes live and sent back with a message saying "try another approach cause this one caused a regression"

    My real concern here is the possibility that this was the "agreed upon approach" and they thought "nobody would notice". Boy did they get that wrong if this is the case. It's important the community strongly signal a better and more narrow approach to their intended "fix" needs to be taken.
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  6. #356
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    Quote Originally Posted by plasmacutter View Post
    Regression is not "censorship", it's a specific software engineering term for when a "fix" causes a new bug in an existing feature.

    This is precisely what has happened here.

    The "fix" has caused greater impact than the "bug" it was intending to resolve.

    The proper course is for it to be caught in QA before it goes live and sent back with a message saying "try another approach cause this one caused a regression"

    My real concern here is the possibility that this was the "agreed upon approach" and they thought "nobody would notice". Boy did they get that wrong if this is the case. It's important the community strongly signal a better and more narrow approach to their intended "fix" needs to be taken.
    More about your supposed chosen profession. Lordy lordy.

    I think they just didn't care, but then again SE does or doesn't do a lot of stuff, then is apparently surprised than that the community wants something, or wants something reverted. Kind of just an SE thing. At best they will revert it, at worst it will stay the exact same. SE is kind of a wild card, I'd bet on it staying the same, but who knows SE could surprise.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 12-13-2019 at 07:06 PM. Reason: rather not get into another argument, gotta let sub run out won't be able to reply
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arazehl View Post
    Listen guys, this is coming from a person who's toon is topless and wearing a skirt. Stands to reason, that people should dress whatever makes them happy in game. Stop your hypocritical trolling dude, you have no leg to stand on.
    So you are comparing a long skirt who covers from hips to toes with a semi-thong who people uses to go almost naked.

    High lvl discussion we have down here boyyyyyz.

    P.D: Just saw your glamour and ill not put the image so you dont report my post, but man, just exactly what im talking about. Jackets with panties, ultimate glamour ideas doesnt it, hahahaha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    More about your supposed chosen profession. Lordy lordy.

    I think they just didn't care, but then again SE does or doesn't do a lot of stuff, then is apparently surprised than that the community wants something, or wants something reverted. Kind of just an SE thing. At best they will revert it, at worst it will stay the exact same. SE is kind of a wild card, I'd bet on it staying the same, but who knows SE could surprise.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_regression
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_testing

    I am not a dev but five seconds of searching google showed that the term exists and it is exactly as she said. SE tried to fix a bug and messed it up more. Which imo should have been tested.
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  9. #359
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    More about your supposed chosen profession. Lordy lordy.

    I think they just didn't care, but then again SE does or doesn't do a lot of stuff, then is apparently surprised than that the community wants something, or wants something reverted. Kind of just an SE thing. At best they will revert it, at worst it will stay the exact same. SE is kind of a wild card, I'd bet on it staying the same, but who knows SE could surprise.
    I advise you to stop arguing with these people. I mean, they are staging a drama of more than 30 pages because they can no longer use the incredible combination of Sweater + thong.

    But then as far as issues like not having another healer class or dungeons still being corridors without fun are not even touched anymore.

    Leave them here whispering about how bad it is to prohibit everyone from jumping half-naked, but that yes, recommending therapy to others because wanting to do RP as a person with zero taste about making glamour sets sounds super ttttttrendy.
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  10. #360
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omymy View Post
    I advise you to stop arguing with these people. I mean, they are staging a drama of more than 30 pages because they can no longer use the incredible combination of Sweater + thong.

    But then as far as issues like not having another healer class or dungeons still being corridors without fun are not even touched anymore.

    Leave them here whispering about how bad it is to prohibit everyone from jumping half-naked, but that yes, recommending therapy to others because wanting to do RP as a person with zero taste about making glamour sets sounds super ttttttrendy.
    Half the time I'm arguing the other half I'm being sarcastic, and having fun. I hardly read them, I skim through most of them (which is probably blatantly obvious). Then I got threatened in this thread as well. Now I am an idiot, because I am not a programmer.

    At this point I hope SE doesn't cave and claim it was a "bug". There is no bug with the butt, all it is is trimmed back down to vanilla dimensions. This is so overblown. the 2b bottoms have been called a "feature" too. It still works with everything but long tops. It's just all the "ruined glams". Look I don't care what people wear, but panties from the 80's aren't tasteful on most of those "glams". Sweater and a thong. Can you imagine that? That combination makes literally no sense. Glams gotta make sense!

    I won't be able to argue for a few days anyway. I need to renew my sub on a later date, bad pay period. I'll have to lurk.
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