I hate to, but I think I put down healing for now. Please make it engaging again, SE.

[Lodi]

Have you even looked at the DPS forum? There are complaints for every job, which is to be expected. Sorry to break it to you, but class design is hard and they will never be able please everyone.

The Healer forum in particular suffers from a severe case of victim mentality. We are not in 5.0 anymore, yet you keep going back to justify this victim mentality by dismissing every change that is a response to player feedback. I'll just repeat: "Let's just throw a temper tantrum whenever we don't get exactly what we want."

I have, and the only gameplay complaints I see are about NIN's rework, MNK being awful, and BRD barely being a support. Everything else is small suggestions, advice and lots of balance talk.
Same goes for tanks, people are complaining about DRK and WAR not being very complex, and lots of balance talk.

Do you see healers talk about balance now?

You say class design is hard, but even WHM had more dps actions and interactions in goddamn 1.X than it does now. In six or so years, they couldn't come up with anything better than "press 1 all day and 2 twice per minute"?

We have a victim mentality because, uuuuh, we lost most of what made the role fun? And the devs never gave us a reason why? And they still refuse to acknowledge this?
It's not 5.0 anymore, yet it still feels like it. WHM is just as boring, SCH is slightly less braindead, and AST is just as boring but now it doesn't suck. Amazing.

You keep dismissing our demands even though most of them are "bring back 4.5". We're not asking for anything new, just a return of what made the role fun.

You keep ignoring everything that was removed for no reason, and blaming us for being angry at losing everything.

Tell me, since you obviously know better than the entire forum, can you tell us why did SE remove all your dps kit while making healing easier than ever?
Come on, enlighten us with your infinite class design wisdom.

[LariaKirin]

Ah yes, they returned the ONE ability. The ONE that anybody with the most basic knowledge of how SCH worked could have told you that the class would not work without, anyone but SE. Square has no idea how SCH, or healers in general, are played, or it would have never been removed in the first place. I'm convinced they didn't even do proper play testing for the class. Had they taken it through ANY piece of content where people didn't eat orange circles like candy they would've found out real quick that SCH's aetherflow was useless 90% of the time, but nooope, it took everyone yelling at them to figure that out. I'm not going to give them credit for that, because it shouldn't have been removed at all.

So they listened to feedback. You can't even say a simple yes. You have to start with "Ah yes", then find whatever words you can to dismiss the change in order to justify this healer victim mentality.

Also let's ignore the genuine problems, not even the stuff that's up for debate like your DPS abilities. How about the fact that the fairy is STILL broken. It can take, and I timed this, up to 10 seconds for it to use an ability, and that's it it uses it at all. Compare that to Stormblood where the fairy did this really innovative thing and just did what you told it to do when you told it to do. But, yes, every complaint. If just a temper tantrum, and just square undwilling to listen. They have yet to give any explanation as to WHY the fair is on the GCD now and why it's so terrible, why we have nothing to do in downtime (which considering them, I wouldn't be shocked if they thought we didn't have any) why they thought energy drain shouldn't need to be there, despite aetherflow being useless without it (again, anyone but SE could have told you that) that's why people are frustrated. Square has said nothing, and when people ask, even when they get the most upvotes on the live letter threads, they are aptly ignored. But sure, it's nothing but a temper tantrum. God forbid you, as a consumer, are talked to and listened to.

It's not broken. It's called a GCD and animation. Everyone has it and the fairy is no exception. The fairy is doing what you tell her to do, be it following you around or stopping to cast her queued abilities. If you mash all of her abilities and then complain it takes 10 seconds for one of them cast, I have no sympathy. You cannot possibly tell me it takes 10 seconds for the fairy to cast a single Whispering Wind when she is placed in the middle of the arena. Maybe you should put some time and effort into understanding how the fairy works.

Finally, yes, you are a consumer and you get what you pay for - access to the game. You are not entitled to an explanation for every decision they make. Do you go to McDonalds and demand an explanation for why their BigMac is the way it is? Didn't think so.

[testname]

So they listened to feedback. You can't even say a simple yes. You have to start with "Ah yes", then find whatever words you can to dismiss the change in order to justify this healer victim mentality.



It's not broken. It's called a GCD and animation. Everyone has it and the fairy is no exception. The fairy is doing what you tell her to do, be it following you around or stopping to cast her queued abilities. If you mash all of her abilities and then complain it takes 10 seconds for one of them cast, I have no sympathy. You cannot possibly tell me it takes 10 seconds for the fairy to cast a single Whispering Wind when she is placed in the middle of the arena. Maybe you should put some time and effort into understanding how the fairy works.

Finally, yes, you are a consumer and you get what you pay for - access to the game. You are not entitled to an explanation for every decision they make. Do you go to McDonalds and demand an explanation for why their BigMac is the way it is? Didn't think so.

o__O dunno what You even want to say

I agree with people before You

[Billythepancake]

So they listened to feedback. You can't even say a simple yes. You have to start with "Ah yes", then find whatever words you can to dismiss the change in order to justify this healer victim mentality.

And if McDonald's changed an ingredient on their big Mac, yeah, they'd tell you SOME reason for it. Whether or not that reason is BS or not is another question, but say they decided to change the buns to a lettuce wrap, yeah, they'd have some sort of justification for it. They wouldn't just do it and then expect you to accept it.

It's not broken. It's called a GCD and animation. Everyone has it and the fairy is no exception. The fairy is doing what you tell her to do, be it following you around or stopping to cast her queued abilities. If you mash all of her abilities and then complain it takes 10 seconds for one of them cast, I have no sympathy. You cannot possibly tell me it takes 10 seconds for the fairy to cast a single Whispering Wind when she is placed in the middle of the arena. Maybe you should put some time and effort into understanding how the fairy works.

Finally, yes, you are a consumer and you get what you pay for - access to the game. You are not entitled to an explanation for every decision they make. Do you go to McDonalds and demand an explanation for why their BigMac is the way it is? Didn't think so.

They "listened" but why did they need to is my question. Why are they so disconnected with how healers play that it was something like this was a problem in the first place, AND people were complaining about that the second it was revealed, knowing it wouldn't work, but sure, why not I guess better late then never. The point of bringing they up is that they have this serious disconnect with how healers are played, and, I'm convinced, they don't even playtest them.

And, animations is the exsuse for fairy not doing anything for up to TEN seconds? Really? No other class in the game has animations? A 1 second or 2 second delay would be, somewhat, okay. (even that is pushing it) but the fact that it can be up to TEN is okay because "animations"? What it BLM had to wait 10 seconds for leylines? They wouldn't stand for it, and rightfully so, there's no excuse for a delay THAT long, especially when this has never been a problem until THIS expansion AND it's a heal you're missing out on that long. "sorry bro, couldn't heal you, my fairy had to do an animation so you died. It's cool though, right? I mean that's definitely acceptable that you had 5 seconds to be healed, and the fairy, even though was told to heal you as soon as you too the damage, just didn't do it. Because I need the animations to finish" nobody needs the spell 10 seconds after they press the button, they need it WHEN they press the button, you know, like every other spell in the game. Also let's not forget that's when the abilities decide to go off, they can outright just not happen too, but you know, I guess they're fine, not broken. Even though this was never a problem until this expansion. Only temper tantrums.

[MitsukiKimura]

So they listened to feedback. You can't even say a simple yes. You have to start with "Ah yes", then find whatever words you can to dismiss the change in order to justify this healer victim mentality.



It's not broken. It's called a GCD and animation. Everyone has it and the fairy is no exception. The fairy is doing what you tell her to do, be it following you around or stopping to cast her queued abilities. If you mash all of her abilities and then complain it takes 10 seconds for one of them cast, I have no sympathy. You cannot possibly tell me it takes 10 seconds for the fairy to cast a single Whispering Wind when she is placed in the middle of the arena. Maybe you should put some time and effort into understanding how the fairy works.

Finally, yes, you are a consumer and you get what you pay for - access to the game. You are not entitled to an explanation for every decision they make. Do you go to McDonalds and demand an explanation for why their BigMac is the way it is? Didn't think so.

So you're trying to compare Mcdonalds way of making food to SE's way of deciding things for the community? I have no words for you other than how disappointed I am at your response.

[LariaKirin]

So you're trying to compare Mcdonalds way of making food to SE's way of deciding things for the community? I have no words for you other than how disappointed I am at your response.

If McDonalds bothers you, simply replace the analogy with a car manufacturer and its car. You are not entitled to an explanation for design decisions. It seems the point of the analogy flew right over your head.

[LariaKirin]

And, animations is the exsuse for fairy not doing anything for up to TEN seconds? Really? No other class in the game has animations? A 1 second or 2 second delay would be, somewhat, okay. (even that is pushing it) but the fact that it can be up to TEN is okay because "animations"? What it BLM had to wait 10 seconds for leylines? They wouldn't stand for it, and rightfully so, there's no excuse for a delay THAT long, especially when this has never been a problem until THIS expansion AND it's a heal you're missing out on that long. "sorry bro, couldn't heal you, my fairy had to do an animation so you died. It's cool though, right? I mean that's definitely acceptable that you had 5 seconds to be healed, and the fairy, even though was told to heal you as soon as you too the damage, just didn't do it. Because I need the animations to finish" nobody needs the spell 10 seconds after they press the button, they need it WHEN they press the button, you know, like every other spell in the game. Also let's not forget that's when the abilities decide to go off, they can outright just not happen too, but you know, I guess they're fine, not broken. Even though this was never a problem until this expansion. Only temper tantrums.

I said GCD and animations. And no, I'm not granting you those 10 seconds.

Explain to me the scenario in which you press Whispering Dawn alone and the fairy takes 10 seconds to apply it.

[Mesarthim]

On the next episode of LariaKirin vs the world.

I'm not even going to pretend to humor a conversation because of how dismissive you are to everyone else, kind of like a certain someone else that hangs around these parts.

[Mortex]

I have, and the only gameplay complaints I see are about NIN's rework, MNK being awful, and BRD barely being a support. Everything else is small suggestions, advice and lots of balance talk.
Same goes for tanks, people are complaining about DRK and WAR not being very complex, and lots of balance talk.

Do you see healers talk about balance now?

You say class design is hard, but even WHM had more dps actions and interactions in goddamn 1.X than it does now. In six or so years, they couldn't come up with anything better than "press 1 all day and 2 twice per minute"?

We have a victim mentality because, uuuuh, we lost most of what made the role fun? And the devs never gave us a reason why? And they still refuse to acknowledge this?
It's not 5.0 anymore, yet it still feels like it. WHM is just as boring, SCH is slightly less braindead, and AST is just as boring but now it doesn't suck. Amazing.

You keep dismissing our demands even though most of them are "bring back 4.5". We're not asking for anything new, just a return of what made the role fun.

You keep ignoring everything that was removed for no reason, and blaming us for being angry at losing everything.

Tell me, since you obviously know better than the entire forum, can you tell us why did SE remove all your dps kit while making healing easier than ever?
Come on, enlighten us with your infinite class design wisdom.

Funny enough mnk isn’t bad ist just piss poor boring after the TK remove and ogcd removal. You just have this rotation with almost no ogcds so you get bored rather then quick.

[MitsukiKimura]

If McDonalds bothers you, simply replace the analogy with a car manufacturer and its car. You are not entitled to an explanation for design decisions. It seems the point of the analogy flew right over your head.

As the consumer "Supporting" their game that "Allows" them to keep doing what they're doing, being given an explanation is only right to those who want one. Only thing that bothers me is your poor analogy over this subject. Attitude like yours will only drive people away from it.

Also if you wanna use Car manufacturer as your analogy then here's some words of enlightenment. You know who supports those companies? Stock holders, share holders that invest into the company and you can be sure their opinions and feedback are welcome because it is them that allows those companies to remain in business. I didn't come here to argue about senseless analogy comparisons.