[Request] Underwear Customisation!

[Magnedeus]

Why would it be an issue? I'm not into women, though I don't screech at the sight of scantily clad viera/miqo'te/au ra when I happen to encounter them in a roulette or out in the game world.

I'd respectfully suggest that instead of denying people who like men their own eye candy you instead spend time addressing such insecurities.

This is a public forum and i can say whatever i want as long as it's within the TOS. It's my opinion and if i don't wanna see something, then i don't want to see it. If that's how you roll, then you do you. And i respectfully suggest you respect others opinions instead of chastising them on it.

[Theodric]

This is a public forum and i can say whatever i want as long as it's within the TOS. It's my opinion and if i don't wanna see something, then i don't want to see it. If that's how you roll, then you do you. And i respectfully suggest you respect others opinions instead of chastising them on it.

It's discriminatory. Why would you have an issue with scantily clad male characters but not scantily clad female characters?

[CazzT]

It's discriminatory. Why would you have an issue with scantily clad male characters but not scantily clad female characters?

No, it is not discriminatory. Leave that garbage on tumblr, please.
If him saying he wants to see less skimpy roes is "discriminatory" then you saying you want to see more is also discriminatory because you're ignoring the opinions of others in the way you're accusing him of. Don't be a hypocrite.

[Theodric]

No, it is not discriminatory. Leave that garbage on tumblr, please.

It is - and it also has nothing to do with tumblr, either.

If you're fine with scantily clad female characters being present in the game then you should be fine with scantily clad male characters also being present. What are you so afraid of?

Roegadyn don't even do anything for me. I think they're way too oversized, comically so in fact. Though it doesn't bother me if people want to run around as scantily clad roegadyn and reading between the lines it's pretty clear what the real issue is in these sorts of one sided cases.

[CazzT]

It is - and it also has nothing to do with tumblr, either.

If you're fine with scantily clad female characters being present in the game then you should be fine with scantily clad male characters also being present. What are you so afraid of?

Roegadyn don't even do anything for me. I think they're way too oversized, comically so in fact. Though it doesn't bother me if people want to run around as scantily clad roegadyn and reading between the lines it's pretty clear what the real issue is in these sorts of one sided cases.

No, it is not. You're being a hypocrite. You're telling someone they're being a bigot because they want to see less of something. There is nothing bigoted or discriminatory about that. But if you're going to maintain that there is, then it is equally discriminatory to want to force others to see what you want to see. Also, he said nothing about seeing more or less of skimpy female outfits, you just made the assumption he does. You're in the wrong here, Theo.

Sounds like personal hangups to me. Not a really good place to cast judgment from.

I agree. Which is why I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see more or less of something. But the accusation of bigotry is uncalled for.

[rachcouture]

No, it is not. You're being a hypocrite. You're telling someone they're being a bigot because they want to see less of something. There is nothing bigoted or discriminatory about that. But if you're going to maintain that there is, then it is equally discriminatory to want to force others to see what you want to see. Also, he said nothing about seeing more or less of skimpy female outfits, you just made the assumption he does. You're in the wrong here, Theo.

I agree. Which is why I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see more or less of something. But the accusation of bigotry is uncalled for.

He didn't call anyone a bigot, though; he just said it's discriminatory to be okay with it for one gender, and not for the other, which it often is in this situation since it tends to coincide with a fear of all things LGBT. It's still a pretty common insecurity.

That said, as a girl that likes cute lingerie: undergarment equip slots are super underrated. I wish more games had them.

[rachcouture]

No, it is not discriminatory. Leave that garbage on tumblr, please.
If him saying he wants to see less skimpy roes is "discriminatory" then you saying you want to see more is also discriminatory because you're ignoring the opinions of others in the way you're accusing him of. Don't be a hypocrite.

Sounds like personal hangups to me. Not a really good place to cast judgment from.

[Kohl]

No, it is not discriminatory. Leave that garbage on tumblr, please.
If him saying he wants to see less skimpy roes is "discriminatory" then you saying you want to see more is also discriminatory because you're ignoring the opinions of others in the way you're accusing him of. Don't be a hypocrite.

Theodric's comment is not discriminatory at all, Magnedeus is entitled to, and has expressed, their opinion, it isn't being suppressed. It is being challenged on whether or not it is a discriminatory opinion.

It was pointed out that this is a public forum, this is true, and when anyone speaks publicly, they are subject to the reaction of their words. The consequence of communicating is that it opens up opinions to being challenged.

This is the way.

[Shougun]

It's discriminatory. Why would you have an issue with scantily clad male characters but not scantily clad female characters?

I agree with this (bias be bias), but wanted to add that I think under solo play circumstances there is nothing wrong with discriminating (man that's a Boogeyman word to use lol, feels funny saying it but stick with me XD). Like if I only install huge male argonian muscles and fine Spears mods in Skyrim. Adding to the works of Crassius Curio- not ever updating the other choices. Heck maybe even removing all the other race/options from the game. Whatever, my game my rules. Lol. But since this is a multiplayer game discrimination impacts like chocobos smells. At the end of the day we'll have to have some discrimination in multiplayer but hopefully it suits the game and it's players well (or at least SE does have to make these choices- not so much us particularly, because resources are not infinite). I suppose that's one of the reasons why I try to actively avoid being SE's finical arbiter lol- a. I'm obviously not so it's a bit silly but also b. I don't want to actively kill someone else's enjoyment if I can help it / easily ignore it. (Also nuance / not threatening on asking for things and bla blah but that's for a different post lol).



Certainly selfishly the game could be designed to every bias I have and no other, but then only those exactly like me would play... Not a very good business strategy unless you're going for niche from the onset like some games and media do (like how games are for certain types of players or media made for certain perspectives/desires). Maybe a bit obvious but easy picking example would be adult content, exclusive preferences are okay (bias).



Just wanted to say having bias isn't necessarily bad, and even using it isn't always bad, but it of course it /could/ be bad / annoying to someone lol. Like if I love airships but someone else thinks they are a waste of resources, obviously people tend to have more on the line personally with outfits and all that expression stuff but I thought that airships be a neutral example.



Anyway men and women in undies, the same undies even, is fine with me- but if someone gave me keys to the castle and said do you want either lingerie on men or player owned physical airships... I'd not think twice on picking the later. At the same time very rarely are things presented as / actually that simple (and I try not to play that either or game). Ideally I'd just say I don't really care for the first but if there is enough demand... Why not both?

[Kohl]

I agree with this (bias be bias), but wanted to add that I think under solo play circumstances there is nothing wrong with discriminating (man that's a Boogeyman word to use lol, feels funny saying it but stick with me XD). Like if I only install huge male argonian muscles and fine Spears mods in Skyrim. Adding to the works of Crassius Curio- not ever updating the other choices. Heck maybe even removing all the other race/options from the game. Whatever, my game my rules. Lol. But since this is a multiplayer game discrimination impacts like chocobos smells. At the end of the day we'll have to have some discrimination in multiplayer but hopefully it suits the game and it's players well (or at least SE does have to make these choices- not so much us particularly, because resources are not infinite). I suppose that's one of the reasons why I try to actively avoid being SE's finical arbiter lol- a. I'm obviously not so it's a bit silly but also b. I don't want to actively kill someone else's enjoyment if I can help it / easily ignore it. (Also nuance / not threatening on asking for things and bla blah but that's for a different post lol).



Certainly selfishly the game could be designed to every bias I have and no other, but then only those exactly like me would play... Not a very good business strategy unless you're going for niche from the onset like some games and media do (like how games are for certain types of players or media made for certain perspectives/desires). Maybe a bit obvious but easy picking example would be adult content, exclusive preferences are okay (bias).



Just wanted to say having bias isn't necessarily bad, and even using it isn't always bad, but it of course it /could/ be bad / annoying to someone lol. Like if I love airships but someone else thinks they are a waste of resources, obviously people tend to have more on the line personally with outfits and all that expression stuff but I thought that airships be a neutral example.



Anyway men and women in undies, the same undies even, is fine with me- but if someone gave me keys to the castle and said do you want either lingerie on men or player owned physical airships... I'd not think twice on picking the later. At the same time very rarely are things presented as / actually that simple (and I try not to play that either or game). Ideally I'd just say I don't really care for the first but if there is enough demand... Why not both?

This guy get's it.