SMN Why don't we hear about egi glamours anymore?

[SoloWingMetatron]

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I pretty much agree with all you say. I don't want Egi's to be removed and think it is possible for them to have synergy with the Demi's.

- My problem with SMN right now is the synergy of everything else. I enjoy commanding my Egi/Demi but feel they are in conflict with the rest of SMN's toolkit. I dislike how Egi Assault shares the GCD...it should have it's own CD especially since it's an ability executed by the Egi which surely would have it's own CD's anyways?

- Slipstream should stay active for the full effect timer. Even if Garuda is rotated out for a different Egi.

- I also dislike feeling rushed whenever I have a Demi summoned. Like I have to just tunnel vision in order to squeeze the most damage out of the Demi (especially with Bahamut, as only certain abilities trigger Wyrmwave...)

- Since the implementation of Demi Bahamut, I feel Dreadwyrm Trance should just be removed and replaced with rotating through Bahamut and Phoenix.

- Aetherflow should be brought back allowing use to build Dreadwyrm stacks again to allow us to summon Demi Bahamut and from that we start building Firebird stacks for Demi Phoenix.

In short - I don't think it's the Egi or Demi's that are the problem...it's the synergy and timers that are around them that are causing so much clunky and disjointed gameplay I feel.

As far as the actual Egi Glamours go...All I want at this point is Leviathan, Ramuh and Shiva. The rest would be great but I don't expect them to release an Egi of every single Primal. As long as we have the main iconic ones then I'm happy enough with that.

[Silverquick]

I pretty much agree with all you say. I don't want Egi's to be removed and think it is possible for them to have synergy with the Demi's.

- My problem with SMN right now is the synergy of everything else. I enjoy commanding my Egi/Demi but feel they are in conflict with the rest of SMN's toolkit. I dislike how Egi Assault shares the GCD...it should have it's own CD especially since it's an ability executed by the Egi which surely would have it's own CD's anyways?

- I also dislike feeling rushed whenever I have a Demi summoned. Like I have to just tunnel vision in order to squeeze the most damage out of the Demi (especially with Bahamut, as only certain abilities trigger Wyrmwave...)

Oh its even wierder than that once you pass 70th.

The order the Trances come in is completely wonky now. Ok so fair enough you start with just a standard Deathflare which generally if on its own is used as a part of an AoE rotation. THEN you get Bahamut Demi, which is actually MOSTLY a single target type of rotation you use for Boss Mobs due to the Ruin 3/Wyrmwave Combo. Then you get Phoenix Trance which is primarily an AoE rotation.

That would be ok except... its COMPLETELY out of order for the way things appear in a dungeon or really any instance outside of 8 mans.

Normally it goes like this... Trash mobs (AoE Targets) ... More Trash Mobs (AoE Targets) ... Boss Mob (Single Target).
But your Trance Rotations goes like this... Deathflare (AoE multiple target)... Bahamut Demi and Wyrm Wave (Single Target).... Phoenix Rotation (AoE multiple target)

Its completely out of order and wonky and you can't change it.

EDIT: Now I don't want to get too negative here because there ARE things that have been improved upon with regards to just general Egis. The Air Pet's constant AoE normal attacks and Egi Assaults make it the BEST AoE pet, and even better than it was prior in any AoE rotation.
And the Earth Pet, despite losing the taunt now can actually be used in Raid situations and Dungeons where you have to take a lot of unavoidable damage due to the Raid wide damage. Plus you can pop this pet, shield yourself with the Glittering Topaz and then use the full Demi-Bahamut rotation unmolested regardless of what gets thrown at you short of insta-kill attacks. Plus the damage though not as good as Ifrit-Egi is still about halfway between the Fire Pet and the Air Pet. So still usable as a halfway measure.

[EpicOverlord85]

I just wish Square would lean back into Sholar/Summoner being true pet classes again instead of removing it :/

[Brightamethyst]

I just wish Square would lean back into Sholar/Summoner being true pet classes again instead of removing it :/

The be fair, pet classes are always super wonky in MMOs. You have to make crazy allowances for them in regards to mechanics and AoEs and pathing and so on, to the point where it's more trouble than it's worth. Pet classes are super cool in theory but insanely hard for the dev team to manage.

[Nemekh]

I just wish Square would lean back into Sholar/Summoner being true pet classes again instead of removing it :/

Not unless they overhaul the pet system entirely. I'm gathering a bunch of material to make a thread later about the disaster that pets have been from the past up to now. The pet system is fundamentally broken, especially for SCH and SMN. As Jenna above mentioned pets in MMOs are typically wonky, but in XIV they're among the worst I've ever played with.

[Dyvid]

Not unless they overhaul the pet system entirely. I'm gathering a bunch of material to make a thread later about the disaster that pets have been from the past up to now. The pet system is fundamentally broken, especially for SCH and SMN. As Jenna above mentioned pets in MMOs are typically wonky, but in XIV they're among the worst I've ever played with.

Ironically this is the best they played since inception.

The be fair, pet classes are always super wonky in MMOs. You have to make crazy allowances for them in regards to mechanics and AoEs and pathing and so on, to the point where it's more trouble than it's worth. Pet classes are super cool in theory but insanely hard for the dev team to manage.

You should have seen it back in '13. Egi's died left and right from AoE's to the point SE had to just make them immune to it lol

[Brightamethyst]

You should have seen it back in '13. Egi's died left and right from AoE's to the point SE had to just make them immune to it lol

Ha ha. I remember it vividly. I have very unfond memories of 2.0 egis.