Cool more silent removal

[Iscah]

I made a post in the gifs thread, it got removed overnight, i have no idea what was wrong with it, i don't know how to avoid such a takedown in the future, so it might become a repeatable thing. I can only guess what it was that was inappropriate enough to warrant being taking down so can we just have more transparency with the mods in regards to stuff like removal and bans(thankfully this didn't happen) so it can be avoided in the future i'd rather not tread on thin ice not knowing where to go thank you very much.

Were you replying to another post that was also deleted?

Any time a post gets deleted, the entire chain of replies goes with it - "erasing all evidence of its existence" basically, even if the replies had nothing wrong with them, or they didn't even directly quote the offending post.

If you didn't receive a warning, I would assume you didn't actually commit an offence.

[SturmChurro]

Were you replying to another post that was also deleted?

Any time a post gets deleted, the entire chain of replies goes with it - "erasing all evidence of its existence" basically, even if the replies had nothing wrong with them, or they didn't even directly quote the offending post.

If you didn't receive a warning, I would assume you didn't actually commit an offence.

No. I can tell you from personal experience, they leave what they want. Context or no.

[Iscah]

No. I can tell you from personal experience, they leave what they want. Context or no.

I've had huge posts deleted because I made a one-line comment towards a deleted post in it. Or in one case, and in-depth conversation that spawned off a deleted post but wasn't actually relevant to it - but would have had a chain of quoted posts leaving back to it.

I've never received warnings. There is no reason for me to assume I'm personally being moderated for it.

[SturmChurro]

They don't always delete everything, and they don't always ban people. Sometimes they just delete some posts or carpet bomb entire sections of a thread. They don't give out warnings either. It's either ban or delete, and no appeals either.

[Rasikko]

I would consider post deletions as warnings, although I don't know of the fates of the original posters. Some posters here make big huge mistakes, like revealing they use parses and post numbers and suddenly.. they disappear for 10 days. Then there is some that are just really nasty, myself included but I can tell you that happens if I feel provoked, whereas a lot of people here just don't care.

[SenorPatty]

I guess we can just pretty much agree the modding is, well, inconsistent. Like, truly truly inconsistent. Sure, the ToS rules concerning forums usage are there but they're not always followed. And yes, it seems mods to tend to personally check threads themselves and yet at the same time, they leave alone threads that are either questionable, dubious,volatile or completely unrelated to FF14 threads until flagged/reported.

What I find most fascinating is the lack of lock usage from their parts. I've seen its use in the support section, purely from functional standpoint but I can't say I see it done here on a regular basis. And by that, I mean it in comparison to most game forums where mods frequently use the feature and typically leave a final post to explain why they're locking it. You would think mods would do the same, at the very least to send a warning sign to anyone else who would try to replicate the offense in the threads but instead, they escalate right to deletion and/or bans.


But you'll be sure to hear from them directly when a new moderator announces themselves, only to never been seen again until they get the green light to do so.

[Theodric]

An appeal system would be wonderful. Am I mistaken, or was an appeal system not mentioned briefly in an official capacity only to never be brought up again? So far I've - thankfully - managed to avoid getting into trouble, though there's been a few posters over the years who have tried to bait me into saying something I'd regret.

[Enla]

An appeal system would be wonderful. Am I mistaken, or was an appeal system not mentioned briefly in an official capacity only to never be brought up again? So far I've - thankfully - managed to avoid getting into trouble, though there's been a few posters over the years who have tried to bait me into saying something I'd regret.

I got smacked during Ottergate and there was no appeal system and no real explanation of what had been done wrong either. Took forum speculation and the realization that the forum mods REALLY took offense to the otters and subsequent threads about them to realize what had happened.

I've heard people say that the moderation system here is very Japanese, in that moderators are cleaved away from the rest of the community as silent enforcers and while if that is the case I can see the appeal I do wish they'd modify their approach in some key ways. Moderators don't have to interact with us on a daily basis but when someone is doing something wrong or a thread is derailing enough to need mod intervention a quick step in to say 'stop doing x' would do wonders to keep people from being smacked with a ban or having their post chains deleted. Especially since the rules aren't always applied evenly across the board or even interpreted the same way by each individual mod.

For all that people say to look up the rules it doesn't really help all that much when it seems the moderators can't even seem to agree on which of the vague rules should be enforced where. A warning would help a lot in keeping people in line, even if that warning only comes when someone is temporarily banned. It'd at least be better than the nothing we currently get.

[Crushnight]

Were you replying to another post that was also deleted?

Any time a post gets deleted, the entire chain of replies goes with it - "erasing all evidence of its existence" basically, even if the replies had nothing wrong with them, or they didn't even directly quote the offending post.

If you didn't receive a warning, I would assume you didn't actually commit an offence.

Nope stand alone post, half of which was about ultimate but it was a jokingly from my experience type of post.

[Jybril]

An appeal system would be wonderful. Am I mistaken, or was an appeal system not mentioned briefly in an official capacity only to never be brought up again? So far I've - thankfully - managed to avoid getting into trouble, though there's been a few posters over the years who have tried to bait me into saying something I'd regret.

there is an appeal system but it's bullpoop and don't work.

the way they do bans here is the most oddest thing. when you're permanently banned you can't even participate in any events that require you to log on because it won't let you even view the forums. bans are: you're soft-banned for a few hours, then it's escalated to nearly 2 weeks or perm. that's it.

just think it's weird that you are literally paying to use these forums so you think how the place is ran would be a bit better than this.
It's almost hard to even have discussions without being reported and banned for someone's hurt feelings lol.

here's the post talking about the appeal

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4734275