Entitled people kick from FC harassing after??

[Yakoo]

so i was sort of right at 3 and it was a warning

joking aside,you did ok and although i don't know you or how you run your fc ,it is clear from your action that you keep your FC as friendly as possibly and that you try to be a good leader.

Yes. ^^

I always wanted to keep my FC friendly as possible, and It was always my intention to have good people within the FC, but sometimes.... People just don't want to be good to other people and cause such issues.

[KalinOrthos]

Yes. ^^

I always wanted to keep my FC friendly as possible, and It was always my intention to have good people within the FC, but sometimes.... People just don't want to be good to other people and cause such issues.

In my experience, it's often not done maliciously or to actively harm people; it's done because they don't see anything wrong with doing so. These types often lack awareness of those around them and don't really consider how their actions will be perceived by everyone else. Think about the person who thinks they're doing you a good deed, but instead actively makes things worse, and when you brought that fact up to them, they decide to get snippy and insulting for it. That's these types of people. Put them in a bubble with like-minded individuals, and you have the situation you had on your hands, where the offending party was openly insulting you and your peers. This isn't absolution for these types, mind you; I think it's important to understand mindsets when dealing with these situations, and often, negative reinforcement for bad behavior is the only way they'll learn. It's too bad that they probably won't feel the consequences of their actions due to having very little real life impact for you removing them from your FC, but we can hope.

[Ferwyn]

you may like giving warnings and believe in change which yakoo might also believe but don't think that your warning is enough or that your verdicts doesn't have effect on the rest of your FC members who were the victims in said cases.
he hasn't executed anyone ,he sort of banish them/send them to a time out/sent to jail in a way and it wasn't because it was his way or the highway either.
they literally hurt a FC member in a far worse way then simply in an in game chat but actually done it at a live stream with people probably watching also in this case it wasn't any FC member but rather the leader himself and they weren't IRL buddies that could talk it over or that it was sort of their friendly dynamic. he was hurt,he gave them a warning,probably saw it wasn't enough and noticed other FC members probably being bullied/insulted by them and decided to change his verdict to expelled.

if they truly regretted their actions ,i believe yakoo would have allowed them to return to his FC but seeing as not only they didn't but also tried to interfere with the rest of his members is more then clear that expelling them was the right choice for his FC.

I can see your side of things but I can’t agree with them. Let’s stick to the facts here though, and not throw around some theories about “probably being bullied” etc etc.

The OP was bad mouthed behind their back, they were given a warning but removed before they could make a change, they reacted to this and did some god awful stuff.

I am not taking any side here, I am just highlighting that if the OP didn’t rule in such a manner where the rules are only their to create their own utopia, things would have been completely different. If you are going to give someone a warning, stick by it. Don’t rule with absolute power, don’t bend rules to suit your agenda. From my experience, this creates the breeding ground for toxic behaviour.

You can't be serious. Like, actually, this must be a joke. Any sane person would immediately put a negative connotation to the word "tyrant" instead of its Greek original meaning. Do you really think us this stupid, this gullible to believe, for a second, that you meant "tyrant" in any sort of positive meaning in our modern day? Especially with the comments you left afterwards about Yakoo acting without principles?

And yes. Yes Indo believe people can get second chances. If they show the willingness to repent. In this case, the offending parties deleted the evidence of their wrongdoing without being prompted to. To me, that's not want of forgiveness, that's "sorry I got caught". And that STILL doesn't absolve them of punishment. If these assholes are truly were repentant, why not take their warranted punishment on the chin instead of beginning a harassment campaign? And before you ask, no, a warning is not a punishment; it is being told "don't do it again".

This is why I call you an enabler, you enabler. You want them to get off scot-free for openly insulting Yakoo and their FC, openly disrespecting them to the public, being openly toxic behind the FC's back. No. The world doesn't work like that. You don't get to talk constant sh*t about your boss, your DM, your friends, whatever, and live without consequence for doing so. Again, and Insay this emphatically:

Grow. The f*ck. Up

I didn’t say tyrant was a positive thing though. I just see the word as someone that rules with absolute power, just because you see the stigma is not my fault. I see what the word means, not what you attach it to.

I’m not sure you actually understand what was said. The people were removed after given the chance to change but not given a chance to change. You don’t see the problem with not sticking to your own principles?

I have already explained how I don’t think they should get away with it, that I believe a warning is sufficient punishment in this case. I don’t see how that’s an enabler or I want them to not get punished? I always ran with the rule of you only got one warning. A second and you are gone. The difference between the OP and myself though, is that I stick to what I say.

[CrimsonGunner]

I would disagree, I get the impression the OP doesn’t actually respect their members enough to see them as people. I formed my opinion based on the fact that the OP went against their word, wielded their power to impose their agenda. Considering the OP has openly said that it’s their way or be kicked, which is where I got the reference for The Dictator. If you didn’t like his rules you were executed. Just replace executed with kicked. That was the comparison I was making, my bad if I didn’t make that clear.

this is why i said it is very very wrong to see it like that and the point where we both disagree on.
kicking from FC isn't executing the person cause it isn't death and the person could always return to the FC anytime by the leader or an officer, by your comparison to tyranny to be resurrected after the king/queen decapitated his head and return to the commoners/servents.
FC leaders/officers are peace keepers and they kick people if needed and show some form of authority even more so when they are the one being ridiculed.it also reflects on how the FC members see their leaders.

again it isn't executed it never was execution related ,kicking a person from an FC= out of the party/time out/exile.
people who joins their FC know the rules especially basic one as being nice to one another and upon entering it/staying in it agree to follow them and they are allowed to leave at any time if it isn't for their liking.
i will correct myself , your comparison of kicking a person=execution is too extreme for my view.

*yes the cold hard facts are indeed what you said but the basic thing is that we are all humans and despite his decision to remove them,they could easily talked this over after he kicked them and then yakoo as easily as he kicked them ,he could have returned them.the fact, they acted out like that after they were removed and harassed the FC just show it was actually a good call to change the warning to kicking them out.
which again i repeat if he can return them as easily as kicking them,it isn't executing them its exiling them if you want the extreme view of it.

[LalaRu]

As someone that ran (as master or officer) small and big guilds, from my experience I think that you did:

1) a good thing, kicking out bad apples
Bad apples are bad. They just spread the bad and nothing else. Personally, when I feel someone is a bad apple, it really is. When I didn't kicked them at the right time, I always ended up on dealing with the mess they done before the more than reserved kick (reads: they got time to do some damage before the deserved kick);

2) a bad thing, dealing with a warning but changing decision then
This is not about them deserving the kick or not. It is about you that said a thing but then you did another thing. As a guild master, your decisions have weight. If you did decided for a warning, and then you go for a kick, you show indecision. You may be regretting to had only warned people, but what's done is done. Nobody is perfect and you too can make errors, as keep in FC people that had to be kicked. But try to keep your word. And please don't worry too much, I'll assure you that they will give you another opportunity for a kick much sooner than later.

[KalinOrthos]

I didn’t say tyrant was a positive thing though. I just see the word as someone that rules with absolute power, just because you see the stigma is not my fault.

And this is where my eyes glazed over. You really, sincerely do think us this stupid. I'm done with your ridiculousness. You win, only because arguing with your insipid sealioning is only going to take away more years from my life and I have much more productive things to do, like playing the actual game, which ironically is more productive than wasting any more time with you. Hope you feel good about yourself, champ.

[Ferwyn]

this is why i said it is very very wrong to see it like that and the point where we both disagree on.
kicking from FC isn't executing the person cause it isn't death and the person could always return to the FC anytime by the leader or an officer, by your comparison to tyranny to be resurrected after the king/queen decapitated his head and return to the commoners/servents.
FC leaders/officers are peace keepers and they kick people if needed and show some form of authority even more so when they are the one being ridiculed.it also reflects on how the FC members see their leaders.

again it isn't executed it never was execution related ,kicking a person from an FC= out of the party/time out/exile.
people who joins their FC know the rules especially basic one as being nice to one another and upon entering it/staying in it agree to follow them and they are allowed to leave at any time if it isn't for their liking.
i will correct myself , your comparison of kicking a person=execution is too extreme for my view.

*yes the cold hard facts are indeed what you said but the basic thing is that we are all humans and despite his decision to remove them,they could easily talked this over after he kicked them and then yakoo as easily as he kicked them ,he could have returned them.the fact, they acted out like that after they were removed and harassed the FC just show it was actually a good call to change the warning to kicking them out.
which again i repeat if he can return them as easily as kicking them,it isn't executing them its exiling them if you want the extreme view of it.

Ok fair enough, I can see what you mean now. I didn’t mean execution to be such a blunt way of putting that. Sorry about that. I just used it as the example because that film came to mind.

To keep it on topic though, I think kicking someone for this is a reasonable enough response. I don’t disagree with that, I just disagree with the fact these people were given a warning and that was revoked, because of what someone else said, not because of what they did. I can understand the frustration these people removed would have, but I do not agree with their actions. I still do believe that the OP is a tyrant, the OP has stated that it is his/her way or kick. Not only this, but the attitude of the OP stinks of someone that enjoys throwing their power around. Can’t remember the term for someone like that.

And this is where my eyes glazed over. You really, sincerely do think us this stupid. I'm done with your ridiculousness. You win, only because arguing with your insipid sealioning is only going to take away more years from my life and I have much more productive things to do, like playing the actual game, which ironically is more productive than wasting any more time with you. Hope you feel good about yourself, champ.

I am sorry if I have offended you somehow, that is not my intent. I was only expressing my opinion about the matter, like any other Internet forum. I’m sorry we were unable to have a rational conversation about this.

[CrimsonGunner]

Ok fair enough, I can see what you mean now. I didn’t mean execution to be such a blunt way of putting that. Sorry about that. I just used it as the example because that film came to mind.

To keep it on topic though, I think kicking someone for this is a reasonable enough response. I don’t disagree with that, I just disagree with the fact these people were given a warning and that was revoked, because of what someone else said, not because of what they did. I can understand the frustration these people removed would have, but I do not agree with their actions. I still do believe that the OP is a tyrant, the OP has stated that it is his/her way or kick. Not only this, but the attitude of the OP stinks of someone that enjoys throwing their power around. Can’t remember the term for someone like that.

ok i respect that,every person read a post different and determine the tone and voice of it on his own and view it differently from one another.
you can give 3 judges the same case and all 3 could give you different verdicts.

i think we could have saved many posts if after you called him tyrant , you explained properly just like now that it was the act of giving a warning and then kicking people afterwards that bothered you but i am also like that and fail to explain properly so its fine .
it is also a good point to make that if after you gave a verdict and then simply kick without warning is sort of a bad thing and i respect it but i am still not in the opinion that they OP is a tyrant ,i simply think he was still mad at them and not doing to flex muscles.

i might be wrong but i think the term you were looking for is megalomaniac which again as i said before do not believe the OP is like that at all.
especially since the definition of it doesn't match the post or the actions the OP took at all.

[Sated]

Honestly the whole "You can't change your mind! You already gave consent!" angle people are pushing is creeping me out...

[Nedkel]

Who cares about fc anymore, 99% of them are silent anyway.