Emet-Selch Is Not That Tragic

[Alleo]

Hmm, I was more saying that the WoDs didnt do the whole 'torture' thing to the Kobolds themselves, but then I realised the only reason we knew Garuda was being summoned at Xelphatol was because Alisaie listened in, otherwise the WoD would have killed her silently, and may have indeed done this multiple times to the the other tribes w/o getting the Eorzean Alliance to notice, so I can concede the Ga Bu point to you.

Then we are responsible for every single summoning too because we do defeat their gods which surely does make them fear us.

If they are at fault even though we do not see this ingame then Limsa is at fault for Ga Bu too. Since they were the first to go against their established peace.

About Emet: Does he really actively look for another path? He gives us a final test and we do it. And yet its still not enough. I doubt he truly ever gave the people a chance. He was biased against them from the very start and I have a hard time seeing him being truly genuie here. He probably has such high standards that people simply cant achieve. Is that fair? I can be somehwere and give people a challenge they simply cant win and afterwards voice my disappointment over them but I never really gave them a chance either. Also lets not forget that he was tempered. Was it ever even possible for him to stray from his path?

The difference to Ardbert accepting it or not is for me: They were still able to save them. I could agree more if the flood already made another "void" out of it and they were just doing it even though its too late (kinda like the Ascians). But the shard was still there, people were still fighting. It was not a lost cause. That is the difference imo. If they came and said that it was over and they would still force a rejoining then I would call them out exactly like I do the Ascians. But their path was different to them.

And again I am not even saying that their first actions were good. No if they had stayed the way and never been in shadowbringers I would count them more towards tragic enemies. But it was their actions afterwards that puts them above Emet and his Ascians.