How do we feel about tank damage right now?

[BarretOblivion]

Which was based on using PDPS logs from Stormblood and RDPS logs from now. The comparison was inherently flawed.

And yet the argument of comparing DPS numbers between tanks or even healers and people right pointing out the gap WIDENED since SB with all the changes to tank acc, poor scaling for tanks, removal of offensive stances, and loss of a skill requirement for the orle has led to them falling behind by such a mass degree that healers have caught up to tanks at the almost 60% or less damage of DPS even with raid buffs.

[Kabooa]

And yet the argument of comparing DPS numbers between tanks or even healers and people right pointing out the gap WIDENED since SB with all the changes to tank acc, poor scaling for tanks, removal of offensive stances, and loss of a skill requirement for the orle has led to them falling behind by such a mass degree that healers have caught up to tanks at the almost 60% or less damage of DPS even with raid buffs.

"That healers have caught up".

There it is again.

That notion that healers aren't allowed to deal comparable damage.

[RadicalPesto]

"That healers have caught up".

There it is again.

That notion that healers aren't allowed to deal comparable damage.

The more damage healers do, the more healing GCDs have too high of an opportunity cost to use, meaning that healers get more and more pigeonholed into the "111 with a single dot and off-gcd heals only" playstyle.

Healers having so much damage on their basic nukes makes it fundamentally impossible to make skills like Cure 2 actually worth using and is part if why the role is so homogenised right now: everybody spams 1 nuke and tries to mostly heal with off-gcds.

[Kabooa]

The more damage healers do, the more healing GCDs have too high of an opportunity cost to use, meaning that healers get more and more pigeonholed into the "111 with a single dot and off-gcd heals only" playstyle.

Healers having so much damage on their basic nukes makes it fundamentally impossible to make skills like Cure 2 actually worth using and is part if why the role is so homogenised right now: everybody spams 1 nuke and tries to mostly heal with off-gcds.

Yet that's irrelevant to tanks. That's a whole discussion that concerns healers and only healers.

Tanks are not threatened by healers doing comparable damage.

[Rhais]

"That healers have caught up".

There it is again.

That notion that healers aren't allowed to deal comparable damage.

Yet going by your own logic it's a nerf to tanks which is what people are pointing out. It has nothing to do with people saying healers shouldn't deal damage, no one is saying that.

After all "Every single buff is a nerf somewhere" in your own words.

[Kabooa]

Yet going by your own logic it's a nerf to tanks which is what people are pointing out. It has nothing to do with people saying healers shouldn't deal damage, no one is saying that.

After all "Every single buff is a nerf somewhere" in your own words.

No one is saying "Healers shouldn't do damage."

Quite a few are saying "Healers shouldn't do as much as tanks."

Going by my logic, if you wish to go through this entire thread, my conclusion was "Tanks do not need 1000 (11%) to be on par with where they were in Stormblood". The OP's statement was based on comparing graphs with two different measurements - The padded stacked logs of Stormblood to the "Damage Goes to Who Brings It" logs of Shadowbringers.

Imagine that - A comparative measurement wouldn't favor tanks, who are nearly as selfish as Black Mages when it comes to DPS buffs. Their "Damage contribution" is less, but not nearly as wide as being claimed here.

We're talking somewhere in the range of 150-200 DPS to each tank.

[Rhais]

Admittedly I missed the word comparative in the post I quoted when I responded so I will agree I am wrong on the point of no one saying that.

I was specifically refering to your comment about buffs and nerfs though, if previously in this game healers weren't doing comparable damage to tanks and now are by your own statement that is a nerf for tanks.

[Kabooa]

Admittedly I missed the word comparative in the post I quoted when I responded so I will agree I am wrong on the point of no one saying that.

I was specifically refering to your comment about buffs and nerfs though, if previously in this game healers weren't doing comparable damage to tanks and now are by your own statement that is a nerf for tanks.

Yeah, and that's fine. That's my opinion on the matter - Healers and Tanks being close doesn't matter. Neither threaten the other.

Healers don't even do more than tanks all the time, just at the level of play that most of this thread doesn't engage in.

[BarretOblivion]

"That healers have caught up".

There it is again.

That notion that healers aren't allowed to deal comparable damage.

Again... WHOOOOSH. See the point it is flying by your head again.
Healers didn't move after SB and some would argue only WHM actually got buffed from SB. They can do thier jobs easier to heal groups now... that is all that changed with the healers. Thier scaling for damage didn't get touched at all. Again TANK FELL DOWN TO HEALERS! Should the argument made that helaers should be looked at coming up? Sure, healers can have that conversation, but the point is... TANKS FELL DOWN.

So SE decides to bring tanks down... when we already have an issue with a lack of tanks...

The point is that Healers didn't move from where they were (except WHM) but all the tanks got yanked DOWN.

[Kabooa]

The point is that Healers didn't move from where they were (except WHM) but all the tanks got yanked DOWN.

The healers actually scaled monstrously moving up into this expansion. Most of the jobs got around a 60-80% increase once final potencys settled down and gear was acquired.

And then the healers are sitting around a 90-120% increase.