Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

[Akiudo]

looking at hades ec average blm dps, 5% is about 530.., about that much is Smn ahead..

I didnt put much effort in the numbers, but blm average is too low to all dps atm, just nerfing Smn is imo not the solution

never look just at a single fight, no matter the class looking at a single fight is bad by default, just take eden 1 and 2 as proof of that, e1 has add phases (not just the literal adds but also the orb phases) that vastly push certain classes above others without being really important in a way that changes the fight one bit and e2 as a fight is nearly more of a training dummy than the actual training dummy which again is a lot more kind to certain classes than to others, which while "more important" than the add thing in e1 still gives a wrong picture of how strong classes actually are

Looking at the 95% percentile for all eden bosses blm is 330 dps below smn and buffing blm by 5% would mean giving him about 725 dps, at this point samurai as the strongest melee would fall 500 dps short of blm, thats more than smn has on blm right now and if you really think blm absolutely needs to be top dps because of some "blm got no utility and is pure damage" line of thought which totally ignores what the current rdps metric actually measures that would still leave sam in the same boat, so congratz, now samurai would need a 500 dps buff to be on par with blackmage, sadly at this point samurai is 900 dps above the weakest melee so guess we should buff that aswell...

btw, while we're at it lets just patch the physical ranged out of the game, the second you let smn stay as is while buffing blackmage not a single one of the physical ranged would be even worth taking unless you need the 1% extra stamina, not even the 1% mainstat, the stamina. like i dunno, if there is a single class (aside from samurai) that at the high end is above blackmage, maybe , just maybe lets rather nerf this one class instead of buffing everyone else

[Shiroe]

I just took Hades Ex, since the bigger majority will clear it compared to savage ones.., but as an heavy movement fight maybe not the best example either

still, when looking at Ultimate Alex so far.., good night Blm with the ranged roll..

Smn is so OP there xD

[BloodRubyXII]

So... is there any ultimate group that DOESN'T have a SMN? kek.

[Nemekh]

Sure, some are running with BLM. So far there are very few windows where raising is even beneficial due to the sheer number of body checks and binary wipe conditions. Most however are running with SMN or RDM as expected for their caster, with some even running double caster with a raise caster + BLM. This falls within expected use cases for players for this ultimate release.

BLM mains have been finding LL comfortable. The movement requirements aren't all that, not so frequent and not that intensive yet. Limit cut is boss downtime so rotation isn't of consequence short of US/Eno. Brute Justice + CC onwards? More need to get there and become familiar.

[ErzaScarlet77]

#BUFFBLM
#makeexplosionsgreatagain

[giwaman]

Sam/Nin/Smn/mch comp so far is pretty good for TEA OwO.

[NovaBismarck]

Bringing to light an issue in imbalance isn't what I'd call complaining, especially if it's coming from a top summoner. He's considering it from a high percentage player's perspective and making suggestions on how to rebalance.

There were huge depressing gaps in smn when Shadowbringers launched. (That's definitely a complaint). The gameplay is definitely better now, next maybe they will get us fine tuned number wise.

[Nemekh]

I'm not sure I'd call myself a top summoner lol, but I do have the occasional good moment, contrary to what some say. I am not a HC player, I do not do world prog, I play at a more lax pace. The days of me doing intensive raid leading hours are long since gone. I want to chill and enjoy my xiv with good people while playing hard when I need to, though the allure of theorycrafting in whichever game I focus on is too strong.

Ultimate so far is really fun and Summoner is frankly a god-tier job there especially with all the early multi-targeting going on. Just look at any streamer running with one, which most if not all of the world progging groups are.

[lulunami]

I'm not sure I'd call myself a top summoner lol, but I do have the occasional good moment, contrary to what some say. I am not a HC player, I do not do world prog, I play at a more lax pace. The days of me doing intensive raid leading hours are long since gone. I want to chill and enjoy my xiv with good people while playing hard when I need to, though the allure of theorycrafting in whichever game I focus on is too strong.

Ultimate so far is really fun and Summoner is frankly a god-tier job there especially with all the early multi-targeting going on. Just look at any streamer running with one, which most if not all of the world progging groups are.

Real life commitments takes a toll on how long you can play video games as you get older. I do enjoy my 9 hours of sleep every night though.

[lulunami]

Also, Sfia posted a picture of their Alexander Ultimate World 1st clear. Congrats!

https://twitter.com/FFsfia/status/11...998080/photo/1



At least in the hands of an excellent BLM, a fight as tough as Alexander Ultimate still has BLM as top DPS over SMN. They ran BLM, SMN, BRD, and NIN.