Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
You're still benchmarking on Eden Savage when we have Hades EX with its 2 min 30 sec enrage timers, every phase and obviously we're waiting on the data for Alex Ult but the initial results don't look good for BRD and DNC.
You do realize several world prog groups are running Bard or Dancer, yes? In fact, they make up the majority in terms of range representation. The idea Astro and Summoner replaces either is absolute nonsense. In no scenario, ever, does a healer impact the DPS party composition.

Oh that's right! DNC! Hades EX requires consistent damage every phase consistency being a strong dps base line at all points (why all the first clear results were full of SAMs as they're very consistent)
And yet despite the range uploads are as followed:

Machinst: 21,771
Dancer: 21,341
Bard: 19,049

They beat out Ninja, Monk, Red Mage and Black Mage by several thousand. In what universe does this suggest Dancer and Bard are endanger of being replaced? By that logic, Monk may as well be deleted from existence; Dancer has more than 10,000 uploads. Simply put, in numerous instances now... math has not supported your arguments.

Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
Put it another way, if the penalties for playing other roles (can't cast while moving, can't melee unless melee range) were actual penalties, then there should be real fights where ranged outdps caster/melee right? There should be -some- fight that plays to ranged strengths right?

But there isn't. That is the issue.

There is no point to having a movement advantage, because there aren't actually any fights where that means you do more damage than other classes.
No? The whole idea is they don't want the Range to out-dps melee jobs because it would make them inferior for certain fights. If there were zero mobility tax, you'd bring only one melee for the 1% and they'd suffer even more in PF because no one does uptime strats. There always needs to be some tax, just not by a 1,000.