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    Quote Originally Posted by SerLuke View Post
    I mean to actually enhance the game at this point it will require substantial redesigns to the graphics engine, low end Xbox Ones won’t limit the game more then low end PCs running it. For them to actually drastically enhance the game they would have to raise the min PC specs up by a ton.
    Unlike PCs, which are custom-built, consoles have a fixed specification. While PC users can be told to upgrade part(s), a console is fixed in that matter and thus always the weakest in the link. Also, I do not think the engine need to be "substantially redesigned" at all. GW2's engine, despite being crap because it is from 2005 and utilizing only 2 cores, brought up very nice graphics. Many deemed "old" graphic engines could pull off great shaders and particle effects. One of the best examples is the great GTAV PC port, which uses the same RAGE engine the consoles used.

    We PC players are just so being held back by poor hardware (consoles) that we forgot how well-performing engines can be. Either it's a crappy port which is similar to a bad emulation or bad target hardware to begin with. Tomb Raider I - III were designed on the PlayStation and suddenly, when IV (The Last Revelation) came out, the PlayStation was a port and Windows the native platform. Boy, the game took a big leap despite using the same engine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    Unlike PCs, which are custom-built, consoles have a fixed specification. While PC users can be told to upgrade part(s), a console is fixed in that matter and thus always the weakest in the link. Also, I do not think the engine need to be "substantially redesigned" at all. GW2's engine, despite being crap because it is from 2005 and utilizing only 2 cores, brought up very nice graphics. Many deemed "old" graphic engines could pull off great shaders and particle effects. One of the best examples is the great GTAV PC port, which uses the same RAGE engine the consoles used.

    We PC players are just so being held back by poor hardware (consoles) that we forgot how well-performing engines can be. Either it's a crappy port which is similar to a bad emulation or bad target hardware to begin with. Tomb Raider I - III were designed on the PlayStation and suddenly, when IV (The Last Revelation) came out, the PlayStation was a port and Windows the native platform. Boy, the game took a big leap despite using the same engine!

    This isn't true, the biggest limiting factor is designing a game that they say can run at the minimum specs that they listed. As long as a console has better specs than what the devs consider the minimum or even reccomended they are not the thing holding the game back, especially as console architecture is so similar to PC nowadays
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    They'll likely continue to support lower spec PC's because not everyone will be playing on a higher spec PC, PS4 and XBox One are able to include more detail than the lowest settings provide, so honestly I don't see console limitations being an issue.

    PS3 provided limitations on how big they could make areas as the PS3 only had 512mb ram, no other limitations as I understand it were reported.

    In FFXI console limitations were a thing because the game engine was built around the PS2's hardware and optimised to that configuration and the PC version was a port of the console versions and there was the limitation of the HDD space on a PS2 HDD. but even now as the PS2 is no longer supported the game suffers from PS2 limitations, as a result if they wanted to bypass them they'd have to pretty much rewrite the engine (as its probably too much like spaghetti to rework the existing one) , which I understand is what they are doing with Final Fantasy XI R2
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    Thumbs up This Concerns Me Greatly

    I have serious concerns. Microsoft likes to get something out of it all. I worry that in order to bring the game to the Xbox, SE concedes and pulls some sort of exclusivity deal for the 6.0 expansion making it exclusive to Xbox and PC for six months to a year and leaves the Playstation community in the dust.

    Don't think that is too far-fetched. Microsoft is known for pulling these shenanigans and the reason the game hasn't come to the platform sooner is due to their lists of rules and demands.

    As a Playstation player, I would be mighty ticked if I was content locked just so they could bring the game to a new platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    Unlike PCs, which are custom-built, consoles have a fixed specification. While PC users can be told to upgrade part(s), a console is fixed in that matter and thus always the weakest in the link. Also, I do not think the engine need to be "substantially redesigned" at all. GW2's engine, despite being crap because it is from 2005 and utilizing only 2 cores, brought up very nice graphics. Many deemed "old" graphic engines could pull off great shaders and particle effects. One of the best examples is the great GTAV PC port, which uses the same RAGE engine the consoles used.

    We PC players are just so being held back by poor hardware (consoles) that we forgot how well-performing engines can be. Either it's a crappy port which is similar to a bad emulation or bad target hardware to begin with. Tomb Raider I - III were designed on the PlayStation and suddenly, when IV (The Last Revelation) came out, the PlayStation was a port and Windows the native platform. Boy, the game took a big leap despite using the same engine!

    They will NEVER give in to you PC elitists. If you think they are going to drop console support just so you can have prettier graphics and performance you've lost your mind. This game will always be on console. And with PS5 being backwards compatible there will be no reason to create an updated graphics engine for the game since it can co-exist across both PS4 and PS5. Many of us love playing on our consoles. I enjoy sitting on my couch and playing on my 65 inch 4K and not hunched over some computer screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    I have serious concerns. Microsoft likes to get something out of it all. I worry that in order to bring the game to the Xbox, SE concedes and pulls some sort of exclusivity deal for the 6.0 expansion making it exclusive to Xbox and PC for six months to a year and leaves the Playstation community in the dust.

    Don't think that is too far-fetched. Microsoft is known for pulling these shenanigans and the reason the game hasn't come to the platform sooner is due to their lists of rules and demands.

    As a Playstation player, I would be mighty ticked if I was content locked just so they could bring the game to a new platform.
    You should have a bit more faith in SE. I don’t think SE would enter in an agreement that would intentionally screw over their players on PlayStation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    I have serious concerns. Microsoft likes to get something out of it all. I worry that in order to bring the game to the Xbox, SE concedes and pulls some sort of exclusivity deal for the 6.0 expansion making it exclusive to Xbox and PC for six months to a year and leaves the Playstation community in the dust.

    Don't think that is too far-fetched. Microsoft is known for pulling these shenanigans and the reason the game hasn't come to the platform sooner is due to their lists of rules and demands.

    As a Playstation player, I would be mighty ticked if I was content locked just so they could bring the game to a new platform.
    Yoshi P and SE would never go for that, FFXIV and PlayStation makes too much money for that. I wouldn’t worry too much this is Xbox under Phil Spencer he’s much more willing to play ball with other companies than people at Microsoft/Xbox were in the past.

    Also Microsoft did get something every FF game on Xbox currently is coming to Game Pass and Kingdom Hearts 1.5 and 2.5 as well as 2.8 are coming to Xbox, it’s a brave new era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    I have serious concerns. Microsoft likes to get something out of it all. I worry that in order to bring the game to the Xbox, SE concedes and pulls some sort of exclusivity deal for the 6.0 expansion making it exclusive to Xbox and PC for six months to a year and leaves the Playstation community in the dust.

    Don't think that is too far-fetched. Microsoft is known for pulling these shenanigans and the reason the game hasn't come to the platform sooner is due to their lists of rules and demands.

    As a Playstation player, I would be mighty ticked if I was content locked just so they could bring the game to a new platform.
    This would never happen. They have already stated they do not wish to divide the community in anyway, which is why the game isn't on Xbox yet. Microsoft original wanted their own servers
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    Best SE move they could have ever did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    He's stated in a number of interviews that he would like for it to happen, so it may be as simple as Microsoft jumping the gun and announcing it before Yoshi-P can. We'll learn soon enough during the next Square Enix/FFXIV focused event...whenever that may be.
    Like for it to happen and actually happen is different though.
    They have met like 4 times, and every single one of those meetings MS had never budged about wanting separate servers..
    So i agree with the person you quoted, i will believe it when SE themselves announce it


    Quote Originally Posted by spf1200 View Post
    This would never happen. They have already stated they do not wish to divide the community in anyway, which is why the game isn't on Xbox yet. Microsoft original wanted their own servers
    And like I said in the response above, there is no indication yet that it said otherwise.
    I have been following it all from various game sources and none of those interviews thus far I have heard otherwise about MS still wanting their own servers. Perhaps Phil finally is not stubborn anymore? We will see I guess
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