[SPOILERS]Considering that new Minfilia feature.

[EdwinLi]

Well the issue with Thancred side of things is that he still had 5 years with Ryne by the time the story began for WoL.

The others only been in the First for 3 year or less. Lack of understanding Thancred's change of heart and acceptance of Ryne can be more contributed to the fact we did not get much detail of those 5 years nor get to see how it proceeded since he grew to accept Ryne as a family member and as a another person during that moment but never got a chance to say what he wanted to say due to it developing into being more of a personal struggle that there may not be a way to save them both. This is one part of the story that I felt should have been included but they cut it down to those small moments in Shadowbringer and hide it until the very end when Ryne and Minfillia had to make a choice for REASONS.

They could have included moments in Shadowbringer where WoL had a chance to talk to Ryne or Thancred once in a while through the course of 5.0 MSQ during their breaks and get Echo visions to see how Thancred and Ryne developed through the process of the 5 years so players can see how Thancred started out as someone who only say Ryne as another Minfillia or her replacement into being a daughter figure and another person he valued as a family.

[Alleluia]

I thought Urianger and Y'shtola had been on the First for 3 years?

[EdwinLi]

I thought Urianger and Y'shtola had been on the First for 3 years?

Sorry forgot about that.

[Alleluia]

Sorry forgot about that.

Np. Just glad I didn't hallucinate that detail. lol

[Lemuel81]

Rynes character development was actually one of the things that amazed me in Shadowbringers

I never liked thancred much till shadowbringers, I felt his character development was nice as well.

[Antoine_Lenheim]

Lack of understanding Thancred's change of heart and acceptance of Ryne can be more contributed to the fact we did not get much detail of those 5 years

Guess not only Minfilia suffered from neglection of "show, dont tell" policy x) I seriously doubt thought that he will get even a portion of hate that Minfilia got for the same reason.

[Antoine_Lenheim]

Just started doing new 5.1 MSQ line and how happy I am! Was mentioned at the start that ryne and Thancred are still minding their business at Empty so they wont joining us! Finally I can do msq (or at least a part of it) without skipping and cringing! /yay motion

[KalinOrthos]

Okay. Dude? You have some serious issues if you're this obsessive about a character. Skipping cutscenes because they prominently feature a character you don't like? Making up romances that had been thoroughly debunked by the story itself? The last post you just made? For someone who claims to like the story, you happily admit to skipping integral parts of it when it suits your warped biases.

Minfilia is dead and gone. Her essence has been given to Ryne, who is attempting to restore her world. Don't like it? Unsub.

I think the most telling aspect about you as a person is that you empathize with Emet-Selch. Not sympathize, as most of us do, but empathize. Emet is a great example of a sympathetic villain, as his motive is a very real feeling that most of us have, that longing for a time long past. Yet, the best way to describe Emet as a narrative device is: "Cool motive; still murder." He and his kin have orchestrated the wanton slaughter of millions, if not billions, of lives, in pursuit of a long-gone past that recklessly used magicks to create their own destruction only to be saved by by the intervention of a god they also created who would only do something if it could Thanos-snap half the population out of existence. Regardless of the motives, both the society in which he lived and the means he pursued to get back to that society are so heavily flawed that it would be impossible to justify their reappearance. Yet you empathize with him because, like him, you single-mindedly want a thing, regardless of the logic to the contrary, and will shut out any other arguments. Your arguments in this thread have been nothing but bad faith justifications of "NO BUT I WANT HER BACK THO" or "GOD I HATE RYNE" for no other reason than your own personal feelings. You've taken literally nothing from the story, have done no contemplation towards the subtext and narratives of the expansion, almost as if you don't understand what subtext and narrative actually are.

Pardon if I sound harsh, but having gone through the beginning to the end of this thread and looking through your posts, it's abundantly clear you have no intention of having a "discussion", you're just looking for an outlet to express how much you hate Ryne and how much you love your precious OTP Minfilia x AntoineThancred.

[Antoine_Lenheim]

it's abundantly clear you have no intention of having a "discussion", you're just looking for an outlet to express how much you hate Ryne and how much you love your precious OTP Minfilia

I guess if it really was the outlet for me to express my hatred towards ryne and how much I want Minfilia back, this thread wouldnt reach 13 pages and people would stop discussing and answering to my posts by page 2. But it was a discussion, sometimes a very heated one. Yes, it was a biased discussion because as you can see with this thread, nobody but Riastrad felt like me and everybody who answered and was in discussion been telling me how good for plot and for its "between the lines" plot intoduction of ryne is and how strange I am for liking Minfilia because she was quite frankly, for them, a bad character, So yeah, my posts mainly consists of defending and justifying, maybe I wasnt prepared for the amount of hate and arguments that people will cover me with.

Though, have to tell you that if the only thing that you noticed in my arguments was "NO BUT I WANT HER BACK THO" or "GOD I HATE RYNE"... then you werent been paying attention to "subtext" at all x) Subtext of my arguments is how bad for plot and poor that idea to include ryne was and how it doesnt tie with the character of Thancred but yeah, thoroughly seasoned with my personal feelings.

And I already answered in my previous posts why Im getting so attached to characters. I can even give you a link to that post, though Im fairly sure you've read it already, since you went through the beginning to the end like you said :3

[KalinOrthos]

I guess if it really was the outlet for me to express my hatred towards ryne and how much I want Minfilia back, this thread wouldnt reach 13 pages and people would stop discussing and answering to my posts by page 2.

It's 13 pages of people dunking on you and you continuing to show that you have no grasp on the story, you just want the cute girl back in the story. People have repeatedly, over and over, time and time again, in elaborate detail, showed you why Minfilia was such a poorly done character, how her appearance in HW and in ShB ultimately develops her into something far more than the nothing she was before in ARR, and why her story wraps up in a satisfying way that develops not only her character but that of Thancred as well and passes the torch to a new character who can become something great. Instead, you willfully ignore ALL of this, every single time, in favor of just how much your desire has clouded your judgement, present contradictions that only further show your bias (you say you like story, then admit you skip integral cutscenes because "i dun like da girl"), and continue to present this delusional outlook on the game that runs directly contrary to the themes that are central to the narrative.

Though, have to tell you that if the only thing that you noticed in my arguments was "NO BUT I WANT HER BACK THO" or "GOD I HATE RYNE"... then you werent paying attention to "subtext" at all x) Subtext of my arguments is how bad for plot and poor that idea to include ryne was and how it doesnt tie with the character of Thancred but yeah, thoroughly seasoned with my personal feelings.

Case in point. If you genuinely think that she doesn't tie in with Thancred at all? You're insane. Or you, again, have no idea what subtext actually is.