Those low prices on the market board...

[Losara]

My new goal is to cut out any profits my competitors have completely by calculating the absolute lowest I can make profits off and when profits cease to be a thing, pull out of the market and wait for it to recover while competitors are undercutting at a loss.

Will say that the buyers market has never been better. Everything is being undercut to almost cost price level which removes incentive to craft. Perhaps we need a new way to convert crafted gear into gil directly to stimulate the economy a bit?

[ThunderGodThor]

SE has done a good job enabling ignorant/thoughtless players to completely destroy the economy on most servers.

Destroyed economy? Undercutting like crazy just makes it a buyers market. I have enough gil, I have no need to buy anything whatsoever, and most long term crafters are in the same position so there's no harm to us if we tank an item so the bulk of players can actually afford it.

On the whole 1 gil undercutting nonsense- if it's a fast sale, I couldn't care less, but if it only sells a few a day at most, then you're damn right I'm going to undercut the crap out of you. I'm going to check the material sale history, look at exactly what you bought it for, work out how much you need to make in order to cut a profit, and drop the price to make it unprofitible. Then once mine has sold, I'll make more so the market completely crashes. 1 gil- wasting my damn time checking retainers.

[CazzT]

Destroyed economy? Undercutting like crazy just makes it a buyers market. I have enough gil, I have no need to buy anything whatsoever, and most long term crafters are in the same position so there's no harm to us if we tank an item so the bulk of players can actually afford it.

On the whole 1 gil undercutting nonsense- if it's a fast sale, I couldn't care less, but if it only sells a few a day at most, then you're damn right I'm going to undercut the crap out of you. I'm going to check the material sale history, look at exactly what you bought it for, work out how much you need to make in order to cut a profit, and drop the price to make it unprofitible. Then once mine has sold, I'll make more so the market completely crashes. 1 gil- wasting my damn time checking retainers.

This is a perfect example of a toxic player. This selfishness is what destroys communities.

[ThunderGodThor]

This is a perfect example of a toxic player. This selfishness is what destroys communities.

Selfishness? Damn- and here I thought trying to take players with little gil for all they're worth was selfish.

[CazzT]

Selfishness? Damn- and here I thought trying to take players with little gil for all they're worth was selfish.

You're intentionally crashing the market now that you've finished taking "players with little gil for all they're worth". What you are doing is, indeed, selfish.

[ThunderGodThor]

You're intentionally crashing the market now that you've finished taking "players with little gil for all they're worth". What you are doing is, indeed, selfish.

Lol mate half the stuff I make I give away to people who can't afford it. I couldn't care less if I crash an item to the point of affordability for the majority of players. Gil is worthless for crafters.

[Losara]

You're intentionally crashing the market now that you've finished taking "players with little gil for all they're worth". What you are doing is, indeed, selfish.

From the buyers perspective what he is doing only helps them. Its the other crafters who are being screwed, buyers will love having low prices.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Selfishness? Damn- and here I thought trying to take players with little gil for all they're worth was selfish.

If you need to tank it for it to sell after someone undercutted you for 1 gil, then you were already taking players with little gil for all they're worth in the first place anyway (aka you were selling the item for far beyond its worth).

It's logic to assume you were being a bit too greedy there. Then you tank it not to help move it or to allow players to afford it, but to "make it unprofitible"

From the buyers perspective what he is doing only helps them. Its the other crafters who are being screwed, buyers will love having low prices.

Or another buyer who just happened to get one of those from his retainer and is trying to scrounge up some Gil for something else. Not to mention the unfortunate implication that if no one had undercut by one gil, price would've stayed the same.

[Losara]

If you need to tank it for it to sell after someone undercutted you for 1 gil, then you were already taking players with little gil for all they're worth in the first place anyway (aka you were selling the item for far beyond its worth).

It's logic to assume you were being a bit too greedy there. Then you tank it not to help move it or to allow players to afford it, but to "make it unprofitible"


Or another buyer who just happened to get one of those from his retainer and is trying to scrounge up some Gil for something else. Not to mention the unfortunate implication that if no one had undercut by one gil, price would've stayed the same.

The issue here is a lot of people don't understand that if you relist an item at the same price as the previous top of the list your item will be the new top of the list hence they undercut by a gil or more.

Another thing many buyers/sellers don't understand is market board tax rates and how much the taxes can add up over multiple purchases. I will buy from whoever has their retainers in Limsa before anywhere else because it has the easiest to access market boards. I have also set my retainers to be located from Limsa since most of my customers are there improving the chances that they'll purchase from my retainers over the retainer in Gridania or Kugane.

[CazzT]

The issue here is a lot of people don't understand that if you relist an item at the same price as the previous top of the list your item will be the new top of the list hence they undercut by a gil or more.

Another thing many buyers/sellers don't understand is market board tax rates and how much the taxes can add up over multiple purchases. I will buy from whoever has their retainers in Limsa before anywhere else because it has the easiest to access market boards. I have also set my retainers to be located from Limsa since most of my customers are there improving the chances that they'll purchase from my retainers over the retainer in Gridania or Kugane.

I've not seen my items shift to the top just be relisting them. If this is how it's supposed to work, it's not doing so consistently. When I list for 1gil less, it does shift my items up.

As for the taxes part, I've been considering moving my retainers to limsa for a while. I hadn't considered the taxes this deeply, but this is a good reason for me to do this tonight when I get home.