Lancers are... ?

[Airlea]

currently hold the highest DMG on Dodore, @ Doomspike II 1378, 2nd best is ARC at 1238 in our shell (Legacy - Bodhum).

15-20second fight right?

I've already popped 1.5k on him several times and that's not even the highest of our LNCs, much less ARCs.

In terms of raw damage, ARC > LNC, and that's absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. We're not that far behind, plus we bring quite a bit more to the table than raw damage. 1 LNC can make an enormous difference if they put even a pinch of effort into it. Damage may be our first priority, but maximizing the damage of our melee brethren is a close 2nd.

If everyone continues to QQ and argue about it, we'll just have lolDRGv2.0.

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15-20second fight right?

what do you mean by 15-20 sec fight!? Dodore!?? awesome.
Also if possible could you take a screenshot of one of those several(assuming you can do it often) 1500dmg on him + your stats/attributes, i'm really interested in comparing, thx!(serious request).

*edit* If your trying to bring other threads(Life Surge vs Speed Surge: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...vs-Speed/page3) into this - rather you not -, i feel /sigh because i'm pretty sure that discussion was mainly focused on RANK20-RANK39(Life Surge vs Speed Surge(1)) and everything said on it was from the view within those rank range. Unless you guys do NM at rank 40, then, great!

[Airlea]

Also if possible could you take a screenshot of one of those several(assuming you can do it often) 1500dmg on him + your stats/attributes, i'm really interested in comparing, thx!(serious request).

No problem^^ The base stats you can check on here anytime of course. iirc, with gear my STR is 158, DEX 130, but I'll double check tomorrow. for Dod I use Banneret+1 atm. Still gathering HQ mats for Champ. Had a hell of a time getting the head to drop.

*edit* If your trying to bring other threads into this - rather you not -, i feel /sigh because i'm pretty sure that discussion was mainly focused on RANK20-RANK39(Life Surge vs Speed Surge(1)) and everything said on it was from the view within those rank range. Unless you guys do NM at rank 40, then, great!

No. That was life vs speed in general. Go reread the OP and subsequent posts. I had to poke you with that since you said there weren't any fights in XIV that last longer than 15-20seconds.

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No. That was life vs speed in general. Go reread the OP and subsequent posts. I had to poke you with that since you said there weren't any fights in XIV that last longer than 15-20seconds.

The discussion started when i said:

10 > 20 Speed Surge, 20 > 40 Life Surge, 40+ Speed Surge II

Speed Surge I isnt really noticible, so i would stick with Life Surge untill 40. If there is more than 1 LNC in party, find if he is using Life Surge, if so u can use Speed Surge I.

than it lead to:

I...I'm not even sure what you're implying in the above post.

I meant that your post about speed surge not being "really noticeable," and suggesting using life surge rather than speed surge for 20 ranks is ridiculous. Particularly coming from a r50 LNC. That was just the most polite way I knew how to express it.

The OP was maybe a discussion between Life Surge vs Speed Surge, but our discussion was between Speed Surge I vs Life Surge, i never said anything bad about Speed Surge II because that is a really noticible stamina boost nor did i say to use Life Surge from 20-39:

I meant the use of Life Surge in party play(solo, it varies with mob difficulty), i rather have a noticable evasion down on mob and have the party kill it faster than gain a very small boost to my stamina bar.

Use of either Life Surge or Speed Surge depends on the mob as well as current pt set up. Im still sticking by the fact Speed Surge 1 is not better than Life Surge from 20-39 nor im saying use of Life surge is must, again it varies with pt play and mob.

[Airlea]

it varies with pt play and mob.

tl;dr - Don't be a lazy LNC. Use both.

I agree. ^5