The housing system in this game NEEDS A COMPLETE GD OVERHALL. Complete stupidity....

[Barraind]

I see no point in 1 person owning a Mansion sized house over a FC with a large amount of people.

I dont see why FC's need mansions. I know why they WANT them, and its the same reason I want them.

I have a personal Large, 2 alt FC's with Larges, and my main FC is in a medium. I spend more time in any of my houses in a day than anyone but me has spent in my active FC's house total the last year, and that was the person who decorated it with me. The only people I ever see in my personal ward are 3 people who have apartments there and come out to use the marketboard right next to me.

Housing is one of those things that is, for the overwhelming majority of people, ONLY interesting to the homeowner/decorator.

[Edax]

You can use duty finder to join raids, dungeons, or even set up a PF for maps. These things were created with the intention of people partying up to do things, and in a way so was FC housing (tenants on private housing came as a later addition, almost an afterthought, but with no expectation that one should take on tenants if they didn't want to). But with the way that things actually are, it's not as easy as people are making it out to be. Also, raids, dungeons, maps and such don't cease to allow people to partake in them after a certain amount of players have already done so.

Gardening, subs/airships and workshops are locked behind housing access, which is not possible for everyone to enjoy - sure, many people do have access to it in some flavor, but not all, so I believe that I am correct in my use of "locked content." If it were available elsewhere, then it would not be locked.

What's stopping you from using the PF to garden? Chat up some interested parties and become a tenant.

[Nix]

What's stopping you from using the PF to garden? Chat up some interested parties and become a tenant.

I don't need to, I own a home of my own - and while yes, what you suggest may work for some, it's still not a possibility for all.

[Minibun]

I don't need to, I own a home of my own - and while yes, what you suggest may work for some, it's still not a possibility for all.

So I went and visited said home, and well hmm.... for someone who's house really resembles the type of empty house people posting here despise the most, you sure like to defend aspects of housing that you yourself do not even use. I'm starting to think you are not the qualified voice for defending these topics.

[Nix]

"So I went and visited said home, and well hmm.... for someone who's house really resembles the type of empty house people posting here despise the most, you sure like to defend aspects of housing that you yourself do not even use. I'm starting to think you are not the qualified voice for defending these topics."

Sorry that I've been working this week and haven't had a chance to finish making all the furnishings? I've only just bought that fc house. Do mention that the house you did visit is in one of the new wards, so it's not like I've been sitting on it for months and it's been collecting dust
Feel free to visit Lavender Beds, ward 11, plot 58 though <3 It's unlocked if you'd like to drop by. Also, feel free to not post on an alt, and do bring an actual argument to the table that doesn't revolve around "You didn't instantly furnish the house you JUST purchased." I feel like that's a bit of a weak attempt to paint me in a negative light because you possibly disagreed with something I've said, but whatever.

I am not interested in playing the system, nor causing arguments. People are free to disagree with me all they wish, and that's fine - people are entitled to their opinion. I'm always open to discussion.

Edit - Here's a little decorating progress before bed - I have another 14hr day ahead of me tomorrow, but hopefully I can make a proper dent in it this weekend~

[Shougun]

What's stopping you from using the PF to garden? Chat up some interested parties and become a tenant.

Personally I'd hate to trust some random person that much. If they were pre-existing friend it might not be so bad but not everyone has that luxury, of both a friend that has a place and one that wants to share the whole feature. I know some think "yeh housing IS a luxury", but I disagree with that idea at the core of it so I won't accept that. Housing imo should be an integral part of the experience.

I know you like it and I don't want to have people think you have to get on the back foot to protect it from me, but every time I hear someone talk something good about it all it sounds like to me is "if you bend over backwards jump three times, clap your hands, scream out the window, stab your own eye, check 24 times a day, get lucky, slap your posterior, and pray to Thal- then if you roll a 6 three times on a 24 sides dice. . . housing is going to be great for you!". Which has me rolling my eyes so hard into my head that they come back around to reading more about how many and how great all these compromises are lol. I'm of course also aware how you feel about people who feel so strongly against the housing system, like myself, but I guess we provide each other hours of fun then . To be fair they're self realized compromises (admitting subjective view), I know some people like it, like EVE sounds like a nightmare to me to play but I think it's fun to hear about people blowing up thousands of dollars in corporate espionage and mass warfare-- a type of fun I'd listen to but absolutely hate to be part of.

One of the /many/ compromises that I feel this system introduces (for the worse, functionally, and intractably), is for example some people really are happy with a small, to the point they had a large and was like "omg nope" and went back. To find out if you were that person you had to enter the (imo) annoying system twice, had to get ready to comprise on a whole slue of values (location, theme, size), and pay for the whole thing twice. So much better, imo, if players could just upgrade features and figure out that stuff smoothly and gradient-ly, where exploration isn't giant leaps off into the unknown. If they could buy and permanently keep the Ramuh platform, keep the Azim Steppe, keep the Ruby Sea water dome, they keep buying yes (gil sink doesn't go away), but they so easily go back if they were like OMG NO TOO BIG. But alas, no.. Every change, every choice, just existing in the system is some sort of first world torture (hyperbole for fun, but seriously I grimace).

I can easily see this system could work well for a sandbox or hardcore rpg (in fact I believe Yoshida was heavily inspired by Dark Age of Camelot, a game he self confessed enjoyment to, which is a bit of the more older school designs with emphasis on that old school tier mmo team work), but with how this game presents I grimace even further. Our awesome job freedom, how the devs approach content with rolling difficulties, how the story has unfolded and begs any type of player to come and try it (they even let players choose difficulty now lol), everything about this game is freedom fantasy and flexibility- then WHAP here is housing "ultimate" where everything is inflexible, restrictive, and grounded in some reality that the rest of the game shares very few if any conceptual throughput ideas with (this game isn't grounded hard fantasy, in the sense that we're practically gods already and toss fireballs like they're pennies). When people are like "you dont even want that large" I think yeah some people wont, some people want a small forever, some people actually want something much larger than large (to be honest our houses and gardens are kind of small compared to some other mmos)- yet to figure that out as a player is like trying to pull your teeth out and hope you found the right one so you don't have to pull another.

For such a freedom and high magic game the system feels like, imo, shackles in so many ways and honestly I'm really not here for the 2000 era MMORPG experience- I want to make the joke "ffxi is still online if I wanted that" but the hilarious thing is I can't because every single person in the game does actually get a space. That's two floors/upgrade-able, and they have a personal island. If they had upgraded their FFXI concept they'd probably have had near Wildstar housing, or better (which would award winning housing I bet), and I'd have cried for joy. . . instead we're more like 1.0 market wards which if anyone is old enough to remember was just fantastic lol.

Though again I want to state I know you like it, and I'm sure at this point you know I'm near loathing the system lol, and for that I don't want to see the current system destroyed but only significantly added onto. Though for me on a personal level if it was Dalamud'd right into the ground I'd shed no personal tear- in fact I might internally cheer, but on a commiserating level, on a level of "I suppose I'm not the only one playing this game", out of respecting and believing your joy is valid- I'd not want it ruined like that.

[current_user]

So you missed out on upgrading the house = the game needs an overhaul.They should make mansion more expensive if anything or a monthly upkeep fee. The world doesn't revolve around you mate, get good.

[Minibun]

Sorry that I've been working this week and haven't had a chance to finish making all the furnishings?....

I can't even quote and respond to your post because you've continued to add and subtract from your original post almost 15 times over the last hour and a half. I had to wait until you were finally done making up your mind with what you wanted to say.

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Your edit timestamp marathon


You even called me a stalker and removed it right away then became the victim to save face.

"I am not interested in playing the system, nor causing arguments. People are free to disagree with me all they wish, and that's fine - people are entitled to their opinion. That being said, stalking me a little does seem rather unhealthy? <_>" -- 1:17 PM

It is really sad that you have to contort this much in a single post just to keep your 'right to advocate' for housing. Even going as far to quickly throw down some empty garden patches and then behaving this way to maintain your forum image (albeit using an ALT yourself).

I saw you posting about housing and trying to add to the ongoing discussion to over 10+ threads in the last 72 hours and so I wanted to see what kind of housing the person advocating so hard did. Needless to say, I was disappointed when I found out you were just another person who liked to speak out about housing from a safe distance but not actually lead by example.

Maybe instead of lying and trying to be a false advocate on the forum, you should probably practice what you preach first instead of giving people false hopes and misleading insight from a falsified position just to satisfy your ego.

[current_user]

I can't even quote and respond to your post because you've continued to add and subtract from your original post almost 15 times over the last hour and a half. I had to wait until you were finally done making up your mind with what you wanted to say.

LMAO this guy has some real issues! Nix get off the high horse and take the L bud.

[RyuSaarva]

LMAO this guy has some real issues! Nix get off the high horse and take the L bud.

whos alt are you?