At 95th percentile in 5.1, BRD's total contribution is the lowest of all DPS

[Risvertasashi]

Ouch.

[Miu-Tiiu]

Hmm... look where NIN has landed though.

[Akiudo]

wanna see something fun ? try for data of 1 week instead of two, brd actually lost dps compared to other classes (as seen if you watch the "normalized score"), brd score relative to other classes actually dropped in the week since the patch, or in simple words, compared to everyone else bard is now WEAKER than before the "ranged buffs"

Mind you, being last isn't inherently bad (as in, someone will allways be the worst) its just that if your whole role is allready struggling to begin with being the worst even in that role (and by quite a lot) is when its starting to turn into a problem

[Miu-Tiiu]

And no... I'm not changing this into a NIN discussion. I just wanted to point out they have improved a bit. So... which job do you think could be last in the DPS list? If not BRD...

[Risvertasashi]

wanna see something fun ? try for data of 1 week instead of two, brd actually lost dps compared to other classes (as seen if you watch the "normalized score", brd score relative to other classes actually dropped in the week since the patch, or in simple words, compared to everyone else bard is now WEAKER than before the "ranged buffs"

Mind you, being last isn't inherently bad (as in, someone will allways be the worst) its just that if your whole role is allready struggling to begin with being the worst even in that role (and by quite a lot) is when its starting to turn into a problem

I already set it to only include patch 5.1 data. So even though it says 2 weeks, it's really only pulling a week's worth of data, as 5.1 hasn't been out long enough.

I don't expect the data to change much overall. Even though the time frame is relatively short, we're late into the patch - people already know their rotations and the boss fights very well, they're geared, and so on.

[Miu-Tiiu]

wanna see something fun ? try for data of 1 week instead of two, brd actually lost dps compared to other classes (as seen if you watch the "normalized score"), brd score relative to other classes actually dropped in the week since the patch, or in simple words, compared to everyone else bard is now WEAKER than before the "ranged buffs"

Mind you, being last isn't inherently bad (as in, someone will allways be the worst) its just that if your whole role is allready struggling to begin with being the worst even in that role (and by quite a lot) is when its starting to turn into a problem

Ah... alright.

[Risvertasashi]

And no... I'm changing this into a NIN discussion. I just wanted to point out they have improved a bit. So... which job do you think could be last in the DPS list? If not BRD...

Well it's kind of interesting because SE said they didn't give BRD stronger raid buffs as if they did, they'd have to reduce their DPS considerably.

It looks like this "considerable reduction" happened anyways, but BRD didn't really get much for it.

As for which job should be last, well, I think the whole band could afford to be narrowed a bit. Summoner is too high, bard is too low.

Beyond that, it is usually utility vs DPS, ie mages with rez and mobility should be lower than mages without. This was the justification for Dancer being so low on the list too. But now bard is in that position, yet also offers (much) less utility than dancer and less DPS than machinist.

[Akiudo]

I already set it to only include patch 5.1 data. So even though it says 2 weeks, it's really only pulling a week's worth of data, as 5.1 hasn't been out long enough.

I don't expect the data to change much overall. Even though the time frame is relatively short, we're late into the patch - people already know their rotations and the boss fights very well, they're geared, and so on.

well, i didn't so my point still stands, feel free to try it out for yourself ^^ its truly a thing of glory

[Risvertasashi]

well, i didn't so my point still stands, feel free to try it out for yourself ^^ its truly a thing of glory

Fair enough. 100% agree with your earlier point too - being the weakest job in a struggling role...

Well. I'm glad I'm not a bard main right now.

[Esmoire]

In general it was kind of strange to shift BRD power in the same patch they just buffed other ranged damage. Like, I am not sure if they should have lowered personal DPS just because they added the song buffs back when in the same patch SMN, RDM, MCH and DNC all got boofs.