Individual players shouldn't be allowed to purchase or relocate to Large plots.

[Toxin_Polaris]

While i whole heartly hate the system we have right now with the buying (even thought i finaly was able to get a small plot) the fact that single players can get a large plot is a non issue for me (and i never plan to have one ) yes there are FC´s that would actively use a large plot but most i saw were pretty barren and even ours is often pretty empty even when we have 20+ people online so why should only FC´s have their vanity plot?

Best FC Houses i saw were mostly small plots with full guild appartments where the lead would creat RP fitting rooms with their mains/alts

[Nix]

So the reason for this long post is to share that, as a person who now owns two Larges (one for my FC and one Private), it is not something that was in anyway easy to accomplish. It required a dedication to the game that goes beyond a collection of long, intense hours of placard spamming experienced by newer house hunters : It required YEARS of patience and realistic expectations. While I do not enjoy that the current system upsets so many people I know it would be a travesty to ignore the players who have put an effort into home owner ship simply because it suits those joining the housing game post 2016.

(Totally not singling you out, I just wanted to piggyback onto your post and share my experience)

For me, it was just obscene amounts of luck; even grinding gil for 2 larges wasn't hard - I spammed retainer ventures while I studied and that's it. It did take a few months, but that's understandable because I wasn't actively farming.
My first large I obtained when the house randomly demolished in Gridania, so I transferred to it with zero competition. My second (for my FC), I obtained this patch though I did not have a house for my FC previously. I logged in next to Ul'dah's aetheryte, zoned into a residential district and made my way to plot 30. From there I just hit purchase, and boom - mansion.

There was no large-scale effort, hours-upon-hours of placard-spamming, blood/sweat/tears etc. At the absolute most, I logged into The Goblet once before the patch and spent about 2 minutes writing down the 6 plots I would have wanted and their closest aetherytes. I didn't do multiple runs and time myself running to them etc., I was super casual about it. Both of the houses I obtained without the help of others.

That being said, as someone who has arguably benefited from this system more than others, I still think the system is horribly broken. I believe that people should be able to get the plots they want if they desire them. I'm not saying to give them to them for free; make it grindy, make it "work", make it whatever, but I believe that people should be able to put some effort in and get some reward from it otherwise it just feels kinda futile. The current system isn't fair - there's not enough homes to go around for those that want them, small or otherwise. As soon as the moratorium is lifted you can bet that the wards, even the Goblet are going to be fit to bursting again, and we'll have more people endlessly spamming placards if a house gets emptied.

I have seen people argue that players should manage their expectations and just "grab any small that comes up, stop waiting for a large to open" etc., but a lot of these players are having trouble even grabbing just any old plot. On Hyperion, when a house plot opens, you can guarantee that there will be many campers there within minutes and they will stay for the entire duration of the timer spamming the placard legitimately, or others using the assistance of macros/bots. The current housing system feels a lot less like Animal Crossing and more like Battle Royale - Terrible analogy, I know (Nook can be brutal, but whatever).

I'll always be an advocate for instanced housing as a solution - have it coexist with wards and implement it in a way that you still get the neighborhood feel; revamp apartments so that they're a viable substitution - make them upgradable, allow them to be purchased by FCs with the options of having additional chambers added. Maybe add purchasable gardens, kinda in the same way that we have purchasable workshops etc. - it's really up to SE to figure out though as they know far more than we of their server limitations and whatnot. Currently, apartments are not a viable option as they lack a lot of the functionality that even a small non-fc house has.

Tl;dr - Housing bad, effort required to gain houses is greatly disproportionate and focuses more on luck than actual work, which is no bueno.

[Maxeum]

1) Slots are already limited. For those who can't even get a small, you can't transfer in anyway.
2) Transferring is a broken system that allows singular players to do this EXACT. THING. And screw other communities out of their chance in the first place.
3) A community of tens of people, up to over a hundred, deserves to have the chance to take advantage of benefits far more than one person and up to three of their friends, as they can accomplish far more (even just in theory) than a light party (at most).

So yes. I would say that FCs need the space more than individuals do. And deserve the CHANCE, at least, to get it, without needing to exploit a system that you already need to pray you can get into in the first place.

You do have a chance to get it, one could argue a larger group of people have more of a chance to get it. Stop being jealous of hard work.

[Arazehl]

How I got my first Large in 4.2:

Wasn't it 4.2 that got not only Shirogane, but added wards to the other residential areas as well? I'd say that helped a lot and was more in your favor. I get what you're saying, though. It still came down to being in the right place at the right time, researching and a bit of luck.

[xxvaynxx]

I think instances housing is a dumb idea to me imo.
For one, everybody will just buy a large house, two it kills the whole neighborhood feeling and instead we get a lonely space to ourselves nobody will even see unless they know you and teleports to your house.

I think people need to stop gunning for larges and popular places like shiro if you're that depressed for a house.
Even on balmung there were tons of mediums and smells in goblet and even smalls in shiro for a few days.

[Besame]

I think instances housing is a dumb idea to me imo.
For one, everybody will just buy a large house, two it kills the whole neighborhood feeling and instead we get a lonely space to ourselves nobody will even see unless they know you and teleports to your house.

I think people need to stop gunning for larges and popular places like shiro if you're that depressed for a house.
Even on balmung there were tons of mediums and smells in goblet and even smalls in shiro for a few days.

Yeah, that "dead" neighborhood feeling, wow, nothing like it hehe. My ward is always a ghost town so that doesn't wash with me.

[Nix]

Yeah, that "dead" neighborhood feeling, wow, nothing like it hehe. My ward is always a ghost town so that doesn't wash with me.

Same - I'm in the Goblet and the Lavender Beds. I have seen 0 people in the Goblet, and I see 1 person in the Lavender Beds maybe 3 times a year; it's always the same person. Even when I walk through Shiro, there's nobody there. People are either inside the house or doing other things away from the house. The wards are absolutely not as bustling as some people like to claim.

[Nix]

You do have a chance to get it, one could argue a larger group of people have more of a chance to get it. Stop being jealous of hard work.

It's an obscene amount of luck and nothing more - I say this as someone with a personal and FC home. I did not work hard to raise millions for my first home, nor did I work hard to camp when the new wards opened. I was just lucky to find the plots open and with no campers.

On Hyperion, the moment a house gets demolished, there's 10+ people there. Some are legitimately clicking furiously, others are using bots/macros (you can spot the bot users because they will keep clicking the placard after purchasing the house). Farming gil in this game isn't hard work, scouting plots isn't really hard work either, and neither is being lucky enough to beat someone else in a click-fest spam.

Hard work is great if there's some kind of light at the end of the tunnel. If only hard work did pay off in the end...right? Except, chances are that it won't - there are a finite number of houses, and many FCs & people will go without simply due to lack of supply. Once the moratorium ends, all of the currently vacant plots will get snatched up again and we'll be back to where we were.
We'll have a system that once again favors the lucky few, and nothing more.

I think people need to stop gunning for larges and popular places like shiro if you're that depressed for a house.
Even on balmung there were tons of mediums and smells in goblet and even smalls in shiro for a few days.

On Hyperion, very few homes open up. It's quite common to see only one available across all housing districts/wards/subdivisions/yougetthepicture. People without homes aren't waiting for their dream plot to magically open up; they are unable to even get a burner plot to hold onto so that they can relocate in the future. When you have 20 campers in The Goblet for a small, you know it's dire lol. Not counting the present home situation in the new wards because only FCs can buy them... but once things settle down after the moratorium is lifted, we'll be back to maybe one house/day waiting to be bought D:
[At the time of this post, there were only 2 houses available that players could buy (not FCs) - they are both in the Goblet, with 5+campers at each]

[YatoShishi]

I worked my ass off to purchase a Large House, who are you to tell me that I "have to much time on my hands" and shouldnt be allowed to purchase a L plot? (your not my real dad!) Yesterday I had someone coming to me telling me to relocate to a smaller plot since I "dont use the basement" (400/400 furniture, not my fault we cant place more)

I got my L house BEFORE we were able to relocate and L Houses werent as "cheap" as 50mil. I owned and deserve my house and since I still exists after all these years it shows I use my house, nobody has the right to tell anyone you shouldnt be allowed to purchase a L house as a private person.

[Barraind]

I spend time in my house every time I log into the game. Can the same be said about all FC members? Most of the time the people who raised the money for the FC to buy the house, put the most work in the raise the FC level, craft wheels, and make ships are the same type of people you're crying about.

I have a large personal, medium house on my active FC (that I was asked specifically not to upgrade to a large) and 2 large houses for alt FC's. I spend more time in each on a daily basis than anyone else has spent in all of them combined in the last year.

Most of it comes down to fc houses in 14 being terrible at being hubs. You can hang out there to take photos, have an event or two and then... it has nothing to offer you cant get elsewhere.

My apartment in SWTOR is a better guild house than any FC house in 14, because one has a market board, bank, guild bank and every relevant vendor you need, and one doesnt.