I was a Mentor. Now I am just a Crafting Mentor because I don't have 1500 coms.

[Brightamethyst]

Well sure. I definitely agree that the mentor system in its current state is stupid should be either redesigned or scrapped entirely, but that's not relevant to the conversation at hand.

Fact is, it's not entitlement to be annoyed at having the crown and NN/roulette access revoked because of something insanely arbitrary.

[Lilseph]

I've got the feeling that this is bait.

[SinisterJoints]

OP is the perfect example of why the mentor system should be deleted from NA servers.

Right, because NA players are the ONLY ones that act like this....smh

[Machka]

Actually, I do not think so at all. Whenever I am running a dungeon with my cousin (I as Red Mage, he as Black Mage) and it's a 4-man, we almost never get a commendation, so the tank(s) and healer(s) are trading. So the profession matters already. DPS have low impact as there are too many to stand out and we have low individual regocnition: We do not get spanked by all sorts of mobs and we don't heal and ressurect (actually, if I think about that...) and all that.
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Apart from that, being nice does not actually matter. In a shi..truckload of dungeons, I have typed my butt off to explain and ask who's the sprout and all that, and I get almost no commendation for that, so I eventually stopped that again, especially since "being nice" often tends to turn away the speedrunners and you are the suddenly the bad guy for slowing down the whole thing. Heck, they even run into boss rooms while I, as Scholar and thus a mandatory part of survival, still explain, and I am a quick typer. So "being nice" is surely not a thing either.

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In the end, there is still the gender and looks going on as well. I can't complain as I get my commendations, maybe like 0.7/dungeon or something, slowly but steady, but I am at like far off the numbers you guys pull off here despite being Scholar and nice and helpful and patient, too. Especially when people actually talk and/or listen. But who want's to recommend that "male DPS potatoe" when there is a Viera tank or that "UwU Kaaawaiii gamer gurl" White Mage to select? Look at these forums and certain threads, the species is a hindrance (granted I do it myself, but I also do not claim it's easy to collect commendations).

If you really believe the world judges people for their behaviour, you are "a bit" naive. -- You also can observe that on the forums right here. Especially you, Vidu, can almost type whatever you want and in whatever words you wish, you have your reputation and your stand. If a 1st-timer would say the exact same thing, he would get only a fraction of your upvotes if he is a generic, blonde, male Hyur. I bet 20€ on that.

Yikes. I think you've got a bit of a chip on your shoulder there. If you haven't been getting many comms that just means you haven't been standing out in a good way to other players. Sure, it's typically a bit harder to do as DPS (unless your party members are using certain unmentionable measuring methods, in which case performing well as DPS can net you many comms), but since being a mentor is supposed to be for players experienced in all 3 roles that is a moot point.

There is no hard and fast formula to getting comms. Some party members like explanations or banter while others prefer quick and efficient runs. Your "being nice" might be seen as helpful to some people, or come across as "wasting time" or "liking the sound of your own voice" to others. The manner/attitude you speak with can make a huge difference with that as well, as does the situation and timing.

Being able to recognize and adapt your behavior to a situation/other people's preferences is an important quality in a teacher. That's why while it is definitely imperfect, commendations are a reasonable prerequisite for being a mentor. They measure how well-received and noteworthy a player's behavior/performance in DF has been, which is directly related to the intended purpose of Mentors. You can blame it on whatever you like, but at the end of the day if you don't have many comms it just means you haven't stood out enough in a good way.

[JowyAtreides]

Well sure. I definitely agree that the mentor system in its current state is stupid should be either redesigned or scrapped entirely, but that's not relevant to the conversation at hand.

Fact is, it's not entitlement to be annoyed at having the crown and NN/roulette access revoked because of something insanely arbitrary.

Agree to disagree over entitlement opinions. The game has evolved since the implementation of the mentor system and therefore, so should the requirements to qualify. If you do not qualify for the content, you have that privilege revoked.

The fact that people come across as blubbering babies, or as people would say nowadays, snowflakes, just furthers my resolve.

I do however agree, that there should be an alternative method to gain mentor status. Such as a minimum of [insert number] achievement points in relevant sections

[Granyala]

[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=3]Actually, I do not think so at all. Whenever I am running a dungeon with my cousin (I as Red Mage, he as Black Mage) and it's a 4-man, we almost never get a commendation, so the tank(s) and healer(s) are trading. So the profession matters already. DPS have low impact as there are too many to stand out and we have low individual regocnition

Yup, very difficult to stand out as DPS in a game in which reliable metrics for DPS' performance are forbidden because OMG, bad dog! (parsers, cough).
As a healer, DPS + keep everyone alive and people will shower you with commendations.

As a tank, I get less comms but that's probably due to it being my second class, so my performance is not exactly up to savage standards.

[seida]

The mentor system is not perfect, but if you've been playing the game for any decent length of time while also leveling tank(s) and healer(s) to 80 and don't have 1500 comms.... I'm a little surprised to be honest. I don't think it's an unreasonable amount at all.

Edited to add: yes, undoubtedly healers and tanks get more than dps. However, being a mentor involves having spent a significant amount of time playing each role. If you only rushed a tank and healer to 80 just to qualify as a mentor, how well do you really think you'd be able to advise people on those roles? 1500 is really not that much. If you think it is, you probably need to spend more time tanking and healing.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Yikes. I think you've got a bit of a chip on your shoulder there. If you haven't been getting many comms that just means you haven't been standing out in a good way to other players. Sure, it's typically a bit harder to do as DPS (unless your party members are using certain unmentionable measuring methods, in which case performing well as DPS can net you many comms), but since being a mentor is supposed to be for players experienced in all 3 roles that is a moot point.

There is no hard and fast formula to getting comms. Some party members like explanations or banter while others prefer quick and efficient runs. Your "being nice" might be seen as helpful to some people, or come across as "wasting time" or "liking the sound of your own voice" to others. The manner/attitude you speak with can make a huge difference with that as well, as does the situation and timing.

Being able to recognize and adapt your behavior to a situation/other people's preferences is an important quality in a teacher. That's why while it is definitely imperfect, commendations are a reasonable prerequisite for being a mentor. They measure how well-received and noteworthy a player's behavior/performance in DF has been, which is directly related to the intended purpose of Mentors. You can blame it on whatever you like, but at the end of the day if you don't have many comms it just means you haven't stood out enough in a good way.

Uh, 3 days doing roulettes as PLD (minus Expert) and already got more comms than in 3 weeks playing mostly RDM and a bit of BRD. And I've been explaining mechanics and rotation issues to struggling players as DPS, while I haven't had the opportunity to do the same as PLD due to struggling to do well and some minor tankxiety.

So no, most people don't really comm the most helpful. They default to the tank, or the healer, or their favorite race or a nice glam. I can't count the times I've saved a 4-man run with Verraise and still got no comms, while I haven't done anything worthy of note as tank, if not even some slightly sloppy tanking and I'm getting 2 comms per run at least, if not more.

[Brightamethyst]

Tanks and healers get more commendations because what they do is much more visible. You could be the best DPS in the world and most people would never even notice. Held aggro, didn't spin, kept a decent pace? Tank did a good job. No one died, status effect cured quickly? Healer did a good job. SAM did... um... well, huh.

[Noitems]

For people wanting comms for being a dps I highly recommend doing PVP. We'll always shower you with good ones since that is absolutely the place you can tell a good dps from a bad one, especially in Feast.