Nier raid 2b outfit rant.

[KitingGenbu]

This is pretty disingenuous. Life isn't turn-based, and both developers and players can have and address multiple concerns at the same time. I don't want to speak for anyone else but the gear itself is secondary for me to my main complaint. I really don't like taking a major fan request and turning it into slot machines. There's no effort or work involved in earning it. It's a pure gamble. I don't like what that says about the developers' priorities, and I don't like what it says about how they view their players.

I'm gonna stop monopolizing this page but I really wish you and others wouldn't use the same old arguments time and again for why this kind of thing is supposed to be okay. Your time is valuable. Just because you're spending it on a game doesn't mean it deserves to be wasted. XIV, for the most part, doesn't waste your time by giving you clear ways to work towards your goals that are concrete and that you can actively earn. That makes something like the glamour coffers stick out sorely.

Plus I worry if it's just accepted here it'll be continued in future content.

Edit: missed a word

My dude....its been accepted since the crystal tower. I understand that you dont weigh something like a minion as 'important' as 2B's outfit, but people have been dealing with this system for years. Could it be better and work akin to the extreme primal system? Sure. And who knows, maybe it will some day. But making a big deal over an outfit without even knowing how systems have always been working in this game just makes you look a little silly especially when you say something like "continued in future content." Or maybe you can explain to me how having this sooner means more than having it later. You get the outfit and then what exactly...? I'm curious.

[CaptainLagbeard]

And people wonder why the dev team doesn't take the western market complaints serious....complaining about a glamour drop chance when the raid isn't even 24hrs old. I get that glamming up as 2B while using the perform feature in limsa all day is important for some people, but by the 12...complain about something more substantial please. I mean even the additional battle voices would be a more substantial complaint since they aren't optional and are hit-miss with a lot of people.

I wouldn't call ilvl 460 gear "glamour gear"... At least not yet, give it a few more patches...

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I wouldn't call ilvl 460 gear "glamour gear"... At least not yet, give it a few more patches...

It's Level 1 gear we're talking about.

[Lloyd777]

Yep and now people will do the 'wait till last seconds' in hope some people will leave before. Great loot design

[CaptainLagbeard]

It's Level 1 gear we're talking about.

Ah, THOSE coffers...

I thought it was about the regular gear... That's actually reasonable to complain about...

But those things, there's absolutely no reason to get a second one so pool of people rolling for them shrinks constantly, so it's like the pets that you'll get them eventually as you run the thing more than likely several times a week...

[Tsunenori]

My dude....its been accepted since the crystal tower. I understand that you dont weigh something like a minion as 'important' as 2B's outfit, but people have been dealing with this system for years. Could it be better and work akin to the extreme primal system? Sure. And who knows, maybe it will some day. But making a big deal over an outfit without even knowing how systems have always been working in this game just makes you look a little silly especially when you say something like "continued in future content." Or maybe you can explain to me how having this sooner means more than having it later. You get the outfit and then what exactly...? I'm curious.

I honestly sat here for half an hour trying to reply to you in a way that didn't require a ton of typing and it just doesn't exist.

It's not that I'm not willing to dive into it, it's that I feel like there's no way you're being serious when in your own post you say "Could it be better and work akin to the extreme primal system? Sure."

Like, you recognize the issue but are still asking why anyone should bother improving on it. In your original post you also created this strawman of people who just want a glamour so they can stand around and perform in town. It's why I said you were being disingenuous.

To top it off we're posting during the 3rd expansion of Final Fantasy XIV, a game that launched in 2010 to such disastrous consumer feedback that Square-Enix publicly apologized repeatedly, removed everyone who was in charge of the game, and committed to completely rebuilding the game over a two year period while supporting the original one.

This game is the greatest testament to user feedback in the industry and you say I'm making a big deal by posting about something I dislike.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here regardless. Once more, to be brief:

What I dislike doesn't have to do with the gear itself. It has to do with what it tells me, a player, about what the developers want me to do. They don't want me to come back and get what I wanted and be happy with it. They want me to run this content over and over again, hitting need over and over again, hoping to get what I want.

I think that's pretty awful. I didn't like it with 24 person minions before, I still don't like it, and I think they should rethink what they're doing here. Let me earn it, or at least make it a per party roll. That's my feedback.

[Tsukino]

Guys, in a few weeks everyone will have this. EVERYONE.

This. The entire thing is a complete non-issue.

Has the OP or anyone else complaining not done any of these raids before? Many of them have a chance to drop a single minion or orchestrion roll that isn't guaranteed and still people pass on all of them a few weeks in. The minions that are guaranteed start getting passed on even faster. And this will be even faster than that, because three of them are guaranteed every time!

[Lloyd777]

Even if there is 3 chest looting against 23 people is still a low chance. And with a low chance like this you can run it 100 times and still not get it. At least in extreme trials you know at 99 runs you can get your mounts. Here it's not even the case.

[KitingGenbu]

Word count be like yo....

You got me! I think this system sucks. So what's the play here exactly? You, me and a handful of others on this forum rally and keep posting about our distain over a 7-ish year old system. Writing long blog posts about how it can be improved so we can get those pretty vanity items in a less luck driven system? Here's the problem. Unless there's a vastly wider margin than a handful that are all in sync with us about this system and the ways it can improve, it won't. You don't think there's threads on here about people still trying for the Puff of Darkness minion?

There are far bigger issues SE needs to address vs someone complaining about having to compete against 23 others for a vanity item that they have 3 chances at compared to the one shot people had for at least 6 years up to this point. And as others have said before, this whole thing becomes an even more non-issue to the masses as time goes on. This seems to be something you're not really understanding. You pay to have access to this game. A lot of people aren't making this an issue so if you're the odd-man out, that's unfortunate. You either adjust or move on. I'm not saying dont post your grievances, just dont expect the seas to part either just because its something important to YOU and nothing is being done about it. Just be thankful its not like WoW or for sure FFXI. Some people have been farming for Invincible for a decade and still no luck.

Also you never answered what exactly you're going to be doing with this outfit after you get it.

[Lloyd777]

You got me! I think this system sucks. So what's the play here exactly? You, me and a handful of others on this forum rally and keep posting about our distain over a 7-ish year old system. Writing long blog posts about how it can be improved so we can get those pretty vanity items in a less luck driven system? Here's the problem. Unless there's a vastly wider margin than a handful that are all in sync with us about this system and the ways it can improve, it won't. You don't think there's threads on here about people still trying for the Puff of Darkness minion?

There are far bigger issues SE needs to address vs someone complaining about having to compete against 23 others for a vanity item that they have 3 chances at compared to the one shot people had for at least 6 years up to this point. And as others have said before, this whole thing becomes an even more non-issue to the masses as time goes on. This seems to be something you're not really understanding. You pay to have access to this game. A lot of people aren't making this an issue so if you're the odd-man out, that's unfortunate. You either adjust or move on. I'm not saying dont post your grievances, just dont expect the seas to part either just because its something important to YOU and nothing is being done about it. Just be thankful its not like WoW or for sure FFXI. Some people have been farming for Invincible for a decade and still no luck.

Also you never answered what exactly you're going to be doing with this outfit after you get it.

So basicaly don't say anything and take the game as granted and hope for the devs to implement QoL magicaly ?