No longer diadem achievements obtainable

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It really is unfair. We pay monthly for this game to help support adding content, not removing it! I understand the Garo content was always advertised as a limited time event, but no prior notice to the exploratory missions being removed and worse the achievements becoming unobtainable is a gut punch to anyone interested in completing those achievements!

Where was all the diadem support back when it was current? All i remember was people hating on it. It died so fast because of that. This is a case of the devs seeing content that can be re-purposed for something else, instead of having to start from scratch and use more resources.

Maybe if people had actually expressed interest in the diadem, been active in doing it "for the achievements" this wouldn't be happening.

[Avidria]

Where was all the diadem support back when it was current? All i remember was people hating on it. It died so fast because of that. This is a case of the devs seeing content that can be re-purposed for something else, instead of having to start from scratch and use more resources.

Maybe if people had actually expressed interest in the diadem, been active in doing it "for the achievements" this wouldn't be happening.

I mean, that's all well and good, but imo the issue here is the extremely short notice on the achievements going away. If they're gonna bring them back in another form, then okay whatever, but that's kind of a question mark now and from what I gather that is what most people have a problem with. Removing content in general is its own argument, and I can see why they are removing it (if they are for good) considering its (lack of) popularity, but the super short notice thing is all on SE.

I actually liked Diadem, but not enough to try to hunt down groups when most other people stopped doing it. Took a break from the game not too long after it came out, and by the time I came back it was dead content. The rewards have pretty much been on a list of "I'll get them if I happen to see a group I have time to join but if not oh well" type deal for me, so I'm honestly not too fussed about this, but I can understand why others are.

[HyoMinPark]

If you cared for the achievement you would of gotten it when it was still new. It’s like the 2.0 players who cry for missing out on 1.0 because the game got revamped. You were in your mother’s womb? Should’ve burst out like a Xenomorph ran to Game Stop and picked up a membership card.

When the revamped Diadem came out, it was actually a bit of a chore to get players to go down below the main part of the map and kill the NM FATEs after the Objective phase was complete. Most tended to leave so they could requeue and hope for the EM—others AFK’d, and then others wanted to just gather afterwards. I ran Diadem 2.0 quite a bit via random matching before SB dropped; never tried the Discord group. If I’d known the Notorious Monster Slayer achievement was disappearing, I would have tried sooner to get it. It’s one of the few titles I’d actually really like to have.

So I’m adding in my disapproval to this: the removal and the abysmal lack of warning.

[OskarXCI]

Similar to what they did with The Fold achievements where they made it so you could make progress on them by doing the Feast, the Notorious Monster Slayer title could be adjusted so you can make progress on it by killing NMs in Eureka, the content that is, more or less, Diadem done better.

[Krokov]

I mean, that's all well and good, but imo the issue here is the extremely short notice on the achievements going away. If they're gonna bring them back in another form, then okay whatever, but that's kind of a question mark now and from what I gather that is what most people have a problem with. Removing content in general is its own argument, and I can see why they are removing it (if they are for good) considering its (lack of) popularity, but the super short notice thing is all on SE.

I actually liked Diadem, but not enough to try to hunt down groups when most other people stopped doing it. Took a break from the game not too long after it came out, and by the time I came back it was dead content. The rewards have pretty much been on a list of "I'll get them if I happen to see a group I have time to join but if not oh well" type deal for me, so I'm honestly not too fussed about this, but I can understand why others are.

Exactly it isn't so much that it's being removed though I'm sure for some it is that it's that 3 days notice Hey we're removing the Exploratory Missions, they couldn't have let people know back when GARO was announced as ending or even after ShB went live?

[Zofis]

Exactly it isn't so much that it's being removed though I'm sure for some it is that it's that 3 days notice Hey we're removing the Exploratory Missions, they couldn't have let people know back when GARO was announced as ending or even after ShB went live?

The fact that Square Enix is known for giving proper notice, is currently radio silent, and often times reworks achievements says to me that there is a good chance this is some sort of mistake. I'm hoping the full 5.1 patch notes and Yoshida's commentary during the live patch note reading will be able to assuage fears.

[SerLuke]

It is a shame I was actually one of the few people that really liked Diadem

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

Like many people here I'm very disappointed that we were given such short and vague notice regarding the changes and removals in Diadem.

I unlocked this content a little bit before Stormblood came out and even back then it was impossible to go in without a pre-made party, even less after. It's only right before Shadowbringers came out that I found by pure chance a group in Party Finder two or three times, and was able to get the minion. But that was about it, until the 5.1 patch notes were released. Now I learn that, due to the Notorious Monster spawn window being a certain amount of time (23 min I've been told), even with all the grinding I'm able to do it is mathematically impossible for me to get the one achievement from Diadem that gives a reward (Notorious Monster Slayer title).

Meanwhile, as other people pointed out, we received notice for the end of the GARO event months in advance, and I had more than enough time to consider completing it, and finally get all 3 mounts, all gear, level every single class from 1 to 60 (!!!), and get all titles.

To that I'd also add that one big problem on EU servers is that (surprise!) we don't all speak the same language, and that makes it really hard to organize groups and keep them focused on objectives. So an Emergency Mission attempt with people who don't speak a decent amount of English would be nearly impossible, as in my experience coordinating a group of English speaking and French speaking players on FATEs alone was a total disaster (even with the auto-translate feature + me as a translator in the middle). I'm therefore convinced that a lot of French speaking and German speaking players (but even people who play in English and are Russian/Portuguese/Polish/Dutch/Finnish etc and who don't necessarily have good English communication skills) are currently missing out on content such as this one, and will struggle a lot more to organize themselves in a way the Diadem Debauchery discord does.

I am also of the mind that there is a possibility that these achievements will be revamped one way or another, but in that case it should be Square Enix' responsibility to inform us of what their future actions on this matter will be, as right now players are just angry and confused at what's happening because of how vague the patch notes are.

- Will these achievements be merged with Eureka in one way or another?
- Can the Notorious Monster Slayer title be obtainable in any other way?
- Are the FC airship exploration missions affected in any way? (that part is not clear to me)
- Is there a possibility to give us a time window to get these achievements the way mentors are being given a delay after 5.1 to complete the new requirements?

Answers to these questions would already appease a lot of the feelings of the community.

And again, please consider the players who are not aware or able to take part in this discussion because they speak different languages.

[Valdruf]

I'm fine with Diadem being reworked, but I do wish they gave us more information ahead of time about when it was being taken away and what would be impacted. Currently, the patch notes are vague enough to the point where nobody knows if the Spoils Traders will still be functional come 5.1. Pegasus, pegasus colt minion and Zu could be gone for good, but we don't know because there's been a lack of communication and warning.

It's been a struggle because just a half hour ago, my datacenter almost cleared the Emergency Mission. With more people prepared, we just need more time and we could do it, not just for us but for everyone else that's new trying to check it out.

I'm hoping that the short notice is a mistake and that they'll address this, but given Diadem's popularity, I won't be surprised if they just don't care.

[SerLuke]

Are the JP forums talking about this?