Quality of tanks in duty finder

[Liam_Harper]

Obviously there are exceptions, but first you all pushed a lot of the decent tanks out of Duty Finder.

"You're going too fast, stop or I won't heal you"
"Pull more, wtf y r u so slow"
"Wtf tank hold aggro" (died to untankable add or random target mechanic)
"Wtf tank, position the boss right" (failed to avoid first boss in Qitana Ravel)
(Charges ahead with Sprint pulling mobs - tank is expected to grab, aggro and tank them all regardless of cd's being up)
(Dps die 6 times over the dungeon. Tank dies once on last boss. "Wtf tank sucks!" Dps kick the tank.

Second, tanking has devolved into an extremely dull basic dps rotation that does no real damage. Emnity doesn't really exist and you only need cd's occasionally at set intervals. It's boring to tank, there's little to master and not much depth to it.

So all you're left with who has any interest in the class are players who like super easy because they aren't too good at the game, and that arrogant guy who thinks he's gods gift to PF, does everything wrong and is immune to criticism. Enjoy.

[AngelCheese77]

this week I have seen some bad tanking. examples include facing boss at group and getting cleaved repeatedly, running around the boss, not picking up adds in fights. These tanks were not low level. They were 60 and above. All the things I mentioned above are things you learn in the beginning. So why are so many people making such common mistakes.

what is going on

I've had those. Their response? They were "bored" or "wanted to make it more fun". No joke.

[LaylaTsarra]

When you can pick up a role at level 60 with no experience what do you expect. Lot of new tanks and it shows.

[tinythinker]

I think people just notice bad tanks more because bad DPS can usually blend in to the background, whereas a bad healer or tank can't.

I suspect the same thing. As someone who spends most of the time healing in group content, I don't usually see other healers except in Alliance Raids or Trials and I'm not able to spot bad tanks unless they are super-bad (spinning bosses like a top, dropping from 100% to 20% health from one boss auto-attack). But well over a year ago I took all DPS jobs to 50 for fun and saw some healing issues, but only one that was really a problem.

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Tangent #1

It's good to see more people tanking, but as always with DF there is no way to make other people better. Shunning, attacking, ignoring, etc. might feel good in the moment, but it probably won't get us better tanks.

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Tangent #2

Honestly, I love helpful feedback as a healer (or tank, or dps) but not sarcastic venting or hateful screeching; yet it's not really other player's jobs to stop and give me thoughtful critiques or advice. Most people must either find my healing and tanking "good enough" or just don't want to waste time with criticism.

I'm now taking those level 50 jobs (that I don't really remember) to 60 and the then the tanks will follow. Advanced apologies for any issues.

[tinythinker]

So all you're left with who has any interest in the class are players who like super easy because they aren't too good at the game

Well, ironically, that does describe me (not too good at the game), but I don't particularly find tanking super easy. I don't have all of the instanced content memorized (where to go, how position bosses, etc.), so I tend to level my tanks with NPCs (hello squadron) when possible (gimme more company seals!) so I don't upset people in the DF by being "one of those" tanks

[Xtrasweettea]

this week I have seen some bad tanking. examples include facing boss at group and getting cleaved repeatedly, running around the boss, not picking up adds in fights. These tanks were not low level. They were 60 and above. All the things I mentioned above are things you learn in the beginning. So why are so many people making such common mistakes.

what is going on

Nothing is going on. It is the same old randomness of DF. You have had bad luck with the tanks you have been getting. There’s no epidemic of bad tanks. There’s no collective consciousness of badness forcing tanks to play bad. It is just the RNG you have.

Your thread isn’t new, either, by the way. Every once-in-a-while, a player who got a few bad apples in their basket comes onto the forums to ask “what’s going on” or “why are tanks playing badly lately,” or “there’s an epidemic of bad tanks,” etc.

The only reason that it seems like your situation (and others who have made these threads as well) is a problem and a norm is because a tank’s advertised role is overt. Meaning that you can clearly see when a tank picks up adds, faces a boss away from the group, uses a CD on a tank buster, etc. The tank not doing its advertised role is overt as well. It impacts your experience negatively and up front.

Same thing with Healers… their role is overt.

DPS, on the other hand, has their advertised roles being subtle. You know they are doing damage, but you may not know what they are doing to make that damage. If the killing is slow… you don’t know which bad DPS is cause damage to be low (it could be both). You are impacted negatively, but not enough to go onto the forums and make a thread about it.

I can guarantee you have ran into more bad DPS players than tanks. You are not going to remember the bad DPS as much as a bad tank, since how their advertised roles are communicated (overt versus subtle.).

[EdwinLi]

Obviously there are exceptions, but first you all pushed a lot of the decent tanks out of Duty Finder.

"You're going too fast, stop or I won't heal you"
"Pull more, wtf y r u so slow"
"Wtf tank hold aggro" (died to untankable add or random target mechanic)
"Wtf tank, position the boss right" (failed to avoid first boss in Qitana Ravel)
(Charges ahead with Sprint pulling mobs - tank is expected to grab, aggro and tank them all regardless of cd's being up)
(Dps die 6 times over the dungeon. Tank dies once on last boss. "Wtf tank sucks!" Dps kick the tank.

Second, tanking has devolved into an extremely dull basic dps rotation that does no real damage. Emnity doesn't really exist and you only need cd's occasionally at set intervals. It's boring to tank, there's little to master and not much depth to it.

So all you're left with who has any interest in the class are players who like super easy because they aren't too good at the game, and that arrogant guy who thinks he's gods gift to PF, does everything wrong and is immune to criticism. Enjoy.

Yes this is issue some people do not consider with the Tanking role.

Tanks are Key to keeping the group alive and determine the speed of a dungeon run by their choices most of the time but not all Good Tanks will play under the High expectations of always pulling all mobs in 1 run with maxed stats endgame gear set nor react to every single detail of a fight.

After all we are only human and there are times even good tanks make mistakes or want to take things easy either for personal reasons or because the other members of the group may not be properly geared or experiened yet to handle the high amount of mobs.

[SummonerSenah]

It might just be that most tank mains already have all their tanks at 80 and aren't using them in leveling roulette at this point, so the tanks you're seeing now are normally healer or dps mains that are still getting used to the role.

[Dadbod]

There are more bad DPS players than anything really.. it’s just the consequence of having a bad dps players in the party is much smaller and less noticeable not that more bad players are on tanks

[Rasikko]

Much smaller... but the run is so much more longer D: