How would they even make another healer job though?

[Jandor]

I knew there would be confusion unless I explained further, was hoping that wouldn't be the case, but meh.

That's a rather pretentious way to start a reply...

[Eloah]

That's a rather pretentious way to start a reply...

I wont lie that it could be viewed as pretentious, though that was not my intent. I merely mean it that I knew if I didn't explain, there was going to be confusion regarding the skills. At that moment however, I didn't have the time to explain, and was hoping that inference would kick in, which it did not. If anything, it is my fault for not elaborating in my first post.

What I said still stands however. SCH does not have a "large heal" or an "AoE heal" as it was put. I prefer to call them a second tier single target heal and a first tier AoE heal, but that's just me however.

[Kazrah]

What I said still stands however. SCH does not have a "large heal" or an "AoE heal" as it was put. I prefer to call them a second tier single target heal and a first tier AoE heal, but that's just me however.

....because of how often players forget that damage absorption effects do indeed qualify as healing.

Absorption effects are simply preemptive healing. Just because the green numbers don't fly up for them doesn't mean that the game's systems don't count them as effective healing.

Admittedly though, if you put in Adlo and Succor as the two specialty heals, then Lustrate and Whispering Dawn (faerie AoE HoT) become the large heal and aoe heal respectively. Sure, you might think "oh no, then you won't have an instant heal", but that would be Excogitation. Alternatively, if you kept Adlo and Succor as the large heal and aoe heal, then the healing specialty for Scholar would become shotgun healing via Aetherflow abilities. Scholar is weird like that, and all the more reason why it can be a pain to balance at times.

[Eloah]

Absorption effects are simply preemptive healing. Just because the green numbers don't fly up for them doesn't mean that the game's systems don't count them as effective healing.

Admittedly though, if you put in Adlo and Succor as the two specialty heals, then Lustrate and Whispering Dawn (faerie AoE HoT) become the large heal and aoe heal respectively. Sure, you might think "oh no, then you won't have an instant heal", but that would be Excogitation. Alternatively, if you kept Adlo and Succor as the large heal and aoe heal, then the healing specialty for Scholar would become shotgun healing via Aetherflow abilities. Scholar is weird like that, and all the more reason why it can be a pain to balance at times.

It has nothing to do with absorption. Let's try it like this, I am going to break the skills down using your own categories, this way you can see what I mean. I will order the skill WHM, SCH, AST

From those two things, you'd follow the basic healer kit shared across other healers:
Basic heal
Large heal
AoE heal
Instant heal
Specialty heal
AoE specialty heal
Raising spell
"Increased healing" cooldown.

Basic heal - Cure, Physick, Benefic
Large heal - Cure II, Benefic II
AoE heal - Medica, Helios
Instant heal - Tetragramaton, Lustrate, Essential Dignity(the main oGCD ones)
Specialty heal - Regen, Adloquium, Aspected Benefic
AoE specialty heal - Medica II, Succor, Aspected Helios
Raising spell - Raise, Resurrection, Ascend
"Increased healing" cooldown. - Temperance, Dissipation, Neutral Sect

See, this is how the skills line up. But as I have been saying some skills do overlap in different ways. The Afflatus skills are all instant as well, but on the GCD. Indomitability, Excogitation, and Benediction are instant too, but are oGCD. Celestial Opposition and Celestial Intersection are instant heals, but have the specialty gimmick attached. WHM and AST both have skills that do damage and heal at the same time, as well as skills that increase their spell casting and reduce MP cost. WHM and SCH both have damaging skills they can spend their gauges on, AST lost theirs once 5.0 launched. SCH and AST can heal two targets at once, although it's a bit "harder" for SCHs now.

The skills each healer has wont always line up 100%, but the listing you gave as the basics of a healer kit was pretty solid. But regardless of anything it's a fact that SCH does not have those two heals (large and AoE). The skills listed in your categories, have no overlap, they are exactly as they appear. Adloquium and Succor only "act" like a large heal and an AoE heal while under the effects of Emergency Tactics.

Think of it this way, does SCH have a large heal or an AoE heal they can spam should the need arise. They do not, the only heal they can spam, realistically is Physick, their basic heal.

[Kazrah]

Think of it this way, does SCH have a large heal or an AoE heal they can spam should the need arise. They do not, the only heal they can spam, realistically is Physick, their basic heal.

Here's a better way of thinking it: are you playing Scholar correctly? Based off of that one single comment and how you're trying to make that super hard comparison, you clearly don't. That's okay though since most players don't, specifically since it requires breaking the mentality that all heals are reactive (they aren't).

In emergency situations requiring heavy healing, Scholar can still theoretically spam cast Adloquium and still get the effective healing for both the heal and the shield or shields (which again, both Galvanize and Catalyze are still heals) that enemies have to eat through to keep lowering someone's HP, while occasionally using Emergency Tactics for an extra oomph of raw health.

That being said, I use the word "theoretically" for that because that's not how Scholar works. First off, absorption healing is preemptive, so heals like Adloquium and Excogitation are dropped down before hand, and much of mastering that comes from knowing the fight. For proper heavy healing like harder tankbusters and the "pop quiz" healing check of the Cidolfus fight in Orbonne Monastery, Scholar has the Aetherflow heals (since Excogitation is an empowered Lustrate if the ally is under half health), Emergency Tactics for either Adloquium or Succor, and faerie skills that include its Illumination buff for more healing ability, its HoT ability, and Seraph's Consolation and increased healing. Yes, you could argue "but what if those are all on cooldown", you could just as easily ask the same of other healers in similar circumstances.

Ultimately, whether it's raw HP restored or an amount of shielding, an enemy still needs to eat their way through it to kill a player. That's why they're considered healing regardless of player perception, and it's all based on how it's used. Scholar's a great example of something devs are good at: making massive differences by tweaking one or two little things. By saying "let's tweak a heal so half of it is preemptive in the form of absorb shield", the playstyle becomes wildly different compared to other healers, requiring a different approach to how someone plays that healer compared to others. That's why I know that Scholar's not a healer for everyone, and why you have healers split between those who prefer the preemptive style Scholar and those who prefer the more reactive style of White Mage.

Going back to the original topic though, I do thank you for the comment on the healer boilerplate. Just because Scholar gives the quasi-illusion of being an outlier doesn't mean that it doesn't follow it like the next healer likely will.

[Eloah]

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You know what, I can't anymore. You aren't being rude or mean, and I thank you for that. But if you haven't grasped what I've been saying by now, explaining it further wont help. I'm not sure how I can make things any clearer though. I mean, you aren't even refuting what I said, so it's a bit confusing.

To defend myself however, I do know how to play SCH, been playing since I started back in 2.3. That's why I've been saying/trying to explain why they don't have an equivalent heal to the likes of Cure II/Benefic II or Medica/Helios. There is no way to say otherwise, it is just a fact of the job.

I mean a Physick II has been a request before. But, why would SCH want a Physick II if they already had a skill equal to Cure II/Benefic II.