Coming back to WHM

[Maeka]

Don't give the guy bad advice if you don't understand WhM that well.

I understand WHM perfectly well for general use for which the OP was asking.

They weren't looking for max DPS savage raiding guides, they were looking for layman's terms, the casual Expert Roulette type stuff. Which very few people on these boards understand, and I've experienced this myself, is I'm just looking for general tips and people are going on and on about weaving oGCDs and pushing 99.9% performance out of the job when... that's not what I'm looking for. Neither is the OP. People on these forums talk like you gotta be absolute perfection, rather than giving general pointers to start with, and slowly adding more as the person gets more skilled with the job and more comfortable doing the job, no they think you should MaxDPS right from the start the first time you try to play.

Then what happens is a person Q's up, tries to do that and fumbles all over themselves and people die while they were casting DPS spells because they forgot the first job of the healer is to, you know, cast heals to keep people alive.

Instead of going on and on about weaving and max DPS, how about letting the OP understand the heal buttons, and advise him on different methods, and such to let him get muscle memory and stuff like that down, first?

You're technically correct on Esuna to a point. It has a tiny handful of situational uses, like paralyze and a few bosses with lethal DoT's designed to be removed. I'd keep it on your bar. However you could count all these situations on one hand. Most DoT's won't outpace a HoT, they aren't "very powerful", they're just a nuisance. Poison in particular tends to be barely noticeable. Bad healers will Esuna these on sight and think they're being useful, but are in reality wasting GCD's. I very rarely need Esuna.

I was replying to the person who said to remove it from your bar altogether, lol. Why are you talking like we disagree on this?

Cure is rubbish. Really, just forget it exists after lv30 and only use Cure II. Cure II won't eat your MP like crazy, yes this isn't Stormblood, we have more MP management than ever.
Cure II will indeed be your main single target heal (after Tetra, Bene and Regen) until you unlock Solace which is first priority.

Until some tank that knows nothing about mitigation buttons decides to pull 3 groups of mobs and you blow Tetra, Benediction, Benison, all 3 Solaces, and Assize and have nothing left. Cure2 spam will eat through your MP rather fast. It's happened to me before.

Did I mention Cure is bad?

Not in all situations. *shrug*

Solace and Rapture may not be oGCD but they're worth 225 potency each (after lv74) and create a weave window (weave windows are very valuable on WhM). They are not like regular GCD heals.

Again you're talking about weaving and junk that you worry about in Savage Raids. I never once said that Solace and Rapture should be avoided and not used. When did I say that? I said "Don't treat it like an oGCD button" as in, don't hit one of these buttons expecting to immediately cast something else right after because it ain't gonna happen.

Medica II was not nerfed. It was buffed. The potency was doubled and the duration halved, so the HoT is stronger and condensed. This isn't Stormblood. It's better than Medica in most situations.

But yet you need to cast more of them to keep the HoT up, it falls off a lot quicker.

Plenary is 200 Potency. The others are 200-300. You mean double (or less), not more. Plenary is great though.

Odd, I oftentimes see the Plenary heal come up as being more than the original heal. The numbers are displayed on screen, afterall.

Assize is exactly the same as before. You use it on cd for dps.

Maybe it has something to do with gear levels and health pools, that this is early patch and my last memories of Assize from Stormblood being late patch, but it just seems to heal for more % of someone's health meter now than it did before despite the potency numbers attached to it.

[Liam_Harper]

Why are you talking like we disagree on this?

I never said we did. I elaborated on how Esuna, while situationally useful, isn't something you want to spam on every DoT or debuff you see.

Until some tank that knows nothing about mitigation buttons decides to pull 3 groups of mobs and you blow Tetra, Benediction, Benison, all 3 Solaces, and Assize and have nothing left. Cure2 spam will eat through your MP rather fast. It's happened to me before.

How are you going to keep a tank with 3 groups of mobs on them and no mitigation alive by switching to 450 potency heals over 700? I've never been in that situation, especially with good Thin Air, Holy and Lucid usage, but it sounds like a tank that bad is screwed either way.

Again you're talking about weaving and junk that you worry about in Savage Raids.

I don't even run Savage right now. Why would you choose to play poorly in content because it's not Savage? Weaving is very important. I never accused you of saying Solace Rapture shouldn't be used, but they are by nature different from regular GCD's which is important to note.

But yet you need to cast more of them to keep the HoT up, it falls off a lot quicker.

You never aim to maintain full uptime on a Medica II HoT. There isn't enough raidwide aoe in most fights. You don't need to cast it more often than in Stormblood.

Anyway, not trying to start arguments, just want to keep the advice clear and correct for the OP's sake.

[Maeka]

I never said we did. I elaborated on how Esuna, while situationally useful, isn't something you want to spam on every DoT or debuff you see.

Ahh, kinda sounded like it? Maybe I misread.

How are you going to keep a tank with 3 groups of mobs on them and no mitigation alive by switching to 450 potency heals over 700? I've never been in that situation, especially with good Thin Air, Holy and Lucid usage, but it sounds like a tank that bad is screwed either way.

Usually what happens in this type of situation is I blow Tetra, my flowers, Benediction, Assize, and by the time all of these are done, there's only 2-3 mobs left in the pull and Cure/Cure II is enough to keep the tank going until the end of the pull (and it's all I got left). I will usually try to pop some Freecures with Cure 1 when I think I can sneak one in without the tank dying, and by the time this is all said and done, I hope to have 3, 4k+ MP left so that I start the next pull with full MP or near it. Now sometimes by this time, Tetra might be back up, and I might have gotten a flower, maybe almost 2 by now, but I don't wanna blow them because I know he's just going to do the same thing all over again with the next pull and I really need those buttons to be ready for the next pull and I don't want to waste them when the hardcasted Cures will be enough.

I don't even run Savage right now. Why would you choose to play poorly in content because it's not Savage? Weaving is very important. I never accused you of saying Solace Rapture shouldn't be used, but they are by nature different from regular GCD's which is important to note.

There's a difference between playing "Poorly" and being a bit relaxed and not at the edge of your seat trying to squeeze every GCD and oGCD possible.

That or maybe I'm misunderstanding the definition of "weaving" -- when someone says that, I picture people trying to squeeze out every 0.1sec that they possibly can, trying to sneak oGCD spells inbetween non-oGCD stuff, etc.

[Erakir]

Odd, I oftentimes see the Plenary heal come up as being more than the original heal. The numbers are displayed on screen, afterall.

This is because Plenary can crit independently of the AoE heal being cast, although I do not believe FFlogs tracks it as a crit - nor do you get the giant crit numbers with it. The crit amount should roughly follow Medica II's crit amount as they're both 200 base potency.

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As such, using it with Medica II can net you a higher PI heal, and due to +/- variance in our heals a crit PI can slightly outheal a noncrit medica or rapture.