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    Zedix Dagern
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    Kick player punishment [GM Chipaquetzal]

    So I ran into a scenario where a healer essentially held us hostage and FORCED us to kick him so he wouldn't receive the penalty, the DPS and I were adamant he should receive the penalty since they were the one choosing to not participate. So we stopped conversing and let them sit there and we pressed on with the dungeon. As we walked into the next boss the healer was pulled into the combat, walked around a few steps the proceeded to d/c. This obviously leaves a massive Red Flag as to the nature of their 'disconnect' and it certainly inst the first time nor do I assume it'll be the last time I see people 'd/c' in order to get kicked just to circumvent the 30min duty finder penalty. Which raises the point, why have the penalty there even? It serves little to no purpose other than those who choose to not blatantly exploit a game system. I discussed this with the GM who got back to me on my griefing/harassing report for said player and they referred me to here in order to make this post.

    During the conversation I had somewhat of an epiphany on possible solutions (listed in no particular order),
    • A] Only allow the "offline" kick option to be selected if the player is ACTUALLY offline on the game, then have it go into some queue for a brief review by GM or some like individual to see if it was a maligned d/c
    • B] Have a tick box in the vote kick for each player that offers to file a generic report on the player for the reason of their dismissal, because if its a harassment/cheating dismissal, that's already prohibited, if they are offline/afk, the gm can look into if it was a refusal to take the 30min and they just wanted out. {obviously if the report was used falsely have the players who chose to file be contacted about it and do whatever it is that happens for wrongful reports}
    • C] Have players who get kicked serially be put into their own separate queues, where they are forced to either play with other people who also have the "frequently kicked" tag or have been given a punishment by a gm, thusly creating a bad behavior island so to speak, keeping the better mannered players together and sifting through the frequent trouble makers, by no means leave them there, because you can always learn, but communicating to the player why they have been put in this state should go a long way to reforming their problem causing behavior
    • D] This one is for y'all, leave a comment with a possible alternative

    I figured to put this up because it feels like the punishment that is there is practically non-existent and the players who actually do things wrong either get a permanent mark from a GM or a punishment that is laughed at by most. This all or nothing approach seems pretty conducive to fixing the problems. Personally I think a mix of B&C would prove most effective but that's just how I see it.
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    Only thing really can do is just kick them and then everyone put them on there blacklist so don't get them again. If they harassed any of others have everyone report them for it. I had that happen before tank and healer got in huge fight and both did kicks for each other and at end I was only one left in the dungeon right at the lass boss to it.
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by hynaku View Post
    Only thing really can do is just kick them and then everyone put them on there blacklist so don't get them again.
    This would only work if they changed the Blacklist to not match you with people you’ve put on it—however, as of right now, you can still be matched with players who are on your Blacklist in Duty Finder. They just can’t join your Party Finder parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    This would only work if they changed the Blacklist to not match you with people you’ve put on it—however, as of right now, you can still be matched with players who are on your Blacklist in Duty Finder. They just can’t join your Party Finder parties.
    They can't join your party but they can still join your Party finder parties as long as you aren't the person recruiting.
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    Did they ever fix it so ones on your blacklist can't send you mail or tells. Had one on my blacklist couple years ago that did sexual harassment and was able to still sent tells to me. Guess GM lied to me that if blacklist a player they can never be put in your party from duty finder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hynaku View Post
    Did they ever fix it so ones on your blacklist can't send you mail or tells. Had one on my blacklist couple years ago that did sexual harassment and was able to still sent tells to me. Guess GM lied to me that if blacklist a player they can never be put in your party from duty finder.
    You shouldn’t see any of their chat or /tells if you blacklisted them. That’s been the case for years—because I’ve blacklisted a few players that stood around in towns spamming emotes to the point it was flooding my chat and I couldn’t see the chats that mattered, and wasn’t able to see any of their chat after I did.
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