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  1. #71
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    Melichoir's Avatar
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    Desia Demarseille
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyalBeef View Post
    Honestly, who cares if people buy clears? As you already stated, they already do anyway. Setting up a system that sucks for 99% of raiders just to slow down the 1% from buying/selling clears is stupid. There's a point where the negative impact on enjoyment of the game outweighs the positive effect of that restriction. You don't want people selling raid clears in your game? Then don't design raids that can be done in only 7 minutes with only 8 people because they're just a single room with 1 boss.
    Buying clears is part of the problem because it hurts teh game in two ways. First, it lowers investment from players end. Why spend time honing skills, gearing, etc, if you can just buy a clear with 10 million gil and walk around acting big about it. Cause whos gonna know outside of the fflogs crowd. It goes back to the issue of if the game is to easy, people will have less investment in playing it. Shortcuts to what should be gated lower the game's difficulty. However, buying clears is not against the ToS. So the best way the have to mitigate against it is to limit how fast you can acquire gear. Or would we suggest that we have raids that can be completed only if you have 8 people up at near 100% uptime on the boss? Cause that would jack the difficulty of raid bosses through the roof. It means you cant have near any deaths no matter what.

    The second issue is that it hurts the hardcore community directly, which will turn those players off the game and subsequently impact teh community at large. Its gonna eventually be a bug bear to the more hardcore crowd that their hard work and efforts are meaningless if anyone with a bag o gil can just purchase clears and get all those chests and gear up faster than them. It may not seem like a big deal to non raider players, but it would be something htat would generate resentment over time. There's plenty of raiders who already have a lot of disdain for people who buy clears currently. Incentivizing that system wont make things better. This is bad for the community at large because it sends a message to potential new players or average players that to achieve good gear when that gear matters, you just need to pay people money and not have to grind up for it. Its gonna make the demand for RMT go up, botting go up, give the impression that the game cant be that hard if you can gear up in a week or two if you have the gil, make the game feel either to easy or to scammy, etc. for MMOs that do incorporate a raid tier, you need that to stay healthy because big gear with big numbers and big glowing effects is always a (temporary) symbol of status.

    For game health, it would be a bad idea to have a system that incentivies buying clears and gearing up absurdly quick so long as you got the gil. Hence the restrictions the devs impose.

    If you want to get 2 chests pugging it, then be on Teusday nights after reset. If you wait til the weekend, its gonna be harder for you cause all the more serious raiders have cleared by then. If you cant play Teusdays or Wednesdays, then form a static that can do it on a timetable that works for you. If you wont do the latter, then I dunno what to tell ya frankly in that regards.
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    Last edited by Melichoir; 10-09-2019 at 03:24 AM.

  2. #72
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    RyuSaarva's Avatar
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    Ryu Saarva
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    Phoenix
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    Bard Lv 90
    buying clears does not cost 10 million gil, it's more like 200 dollars.
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  3. #73
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    RoyalBeef's Avatar
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    Tiny Tina
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    Omega
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    stuff

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    If you want to get 2 chests pugging it, then be on Teusday nights after reset. If you wait til the weekend, its gonna be harder for you cause all the more serious raiders have cleared by then. If you cant play Teusdays or Wednesdays, then form a static that can do it on a timetable that works for you. If you wont do the latter, then I dunno what to tell ya frankly in that regards.
    People are already buying clears tho. Sure it will take them longer to gear up, bu it's still already happening. I don't feel my achievements lessened tho, I know I did it legit ith sweat and tears, and they'll always know they bought their way through it. If they want to BS themselves, let them, I don't care.

    Again had the same problem last night: My static is still progging E3S on thursdays, and we do E1S and E2S clears on tuesdays 8pm ST because that's when everyone is home and available. After that, our members that already have E3S down go on to PUG it, that's usually 9-9.30 pm STwhen the initial weekly 2 chest rush is already over. Last night we sat in PF till 1 am because there were no healers. But we knew delaying it to wednesday night would make it even worse so we kept waiting. Finally we got a full party and at 2am we cleared with 2 chests, 3 hours before I have to get up and go to work lol.

    We could clear E3S first while waiting for our static to show up for E1S and E2s... but oh wait, you can't, because then you locked yourself out of loot for 1 and 2 automatically, costing your static 50% of their loot as well. The current system "get your clears in order within 1-2 hours after reset or you're screwed" sucks donkey ba**s, plain and simple.

    In that regard it's even discouraging forming statics with people who didn't progress as far as you did, because then you'll have to respect their schedule AND still somehow get your remaining clears with a PUG after playing with your static, so every delay that occurs with them will make things worse for you. It's actively discouraging and sabotaging teambuilding amongst people with different personal progression statuses.
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    Last edited by RoyalBeef; 10-09-2019 at 05:00 PM.

  4. #74
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
    World
    Marilith
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    White Mage Lv 100
    This game has lasting gameplay, as a casual player. I think this is actually the design philosophy based on some of the quotes I have read other players post. The PvP is awful, the high end PvE is average. This game is great in medium bursts, but then there is nothing to do but grind casually. Do things like mount farming, leveling up alt classes, achievements, and glamour farm.

    Unfortunately for me, no matter how much I like the game I burn through all the content I like quickly. Personally, if this game had better PvP I could see myself actually playing it more continuously. I just have nothing to do anymore, yes I technically have some things to do like what I listed above. I do not have every class at 80, but it just isn't interesting, AT ALL, to level classes. Sorry. It's boring, completely boring. I don't need gear for anything. No real point. Savage gear would be cool, but completely unnecessary for almost all content. I probably just need the break I have been taking now. My biggest gripe still is the PvP, I have always been more of a PvP'er. Well, I never really planned the break. I just stopped logging in, didn't get the urge to play anymore.

    Forgot crafting, it's decent in this game. Crafters have this to play, but not much gold sinks. I won't touch that though, also boring. My highest level crafter is like level 26(?), and my highest level gatherer is like level 2..
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 10-09-2019 at 04:40 PM.
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  5. #75
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    smol_cofe's Avatar
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    Smol Coffee
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    Odin
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    I'm not a fan of the way looting works in savage and would like to see a change or two there, no other really big complaints though.
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  6. #76
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by smol_cofe View Post
    I'm not a fan of the way looting works in savage and would like to see a change or two there, no other really big complaints though.
    This, the rampant botting problem, and various QoL nitpicks are the only real issues I have with the game personally.
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