My wrists hurt, I haven't been able to *play* for two days, and no house for my FC.

[Kenky]

And yet people light their torches and pitchforks when physical health is mentioned.

So far, our "responsible, adult" community sure doesn't seem so responsible. Almost as if people hurting themselves over obsessions is a well-documented issue.

[Ariane]

More plots is a band-aid, unless they add enough to mostly satisfy demand. Which isn't likely to happen unless they increase the cost of ownership so much that it drives down demand, from what I can see.

I've seen "more plots" work on Hyperion at least. After they added the new wards along with the limitations in place, I would see Goblet small plots go empty in ward my friend's house is in, and they would sit empty for days, so you should have been able to just walk up and buy them at that point with no timer blocking you. I would also check the wards every once in awhile from the aetherytes, and there was always a some small Goblet plots empty. The only complaints were from the picky people about how they can't get something like a large house in Shirogane.

Around Shadowbringers, more people started playing and plots opened up less often, and when they do open, they get groups sitting at the placard. But these new wards coming may though maybe just enough to go back to at least having it where you can easily get a Goblet small plot at any time.

[TironStarstryker]

And yet people light their torches and pitchforks when physical health is mentioned.

So far, our "responsible, adult" community sure doesn't seem so responsible. Almost as if people hurting themselves over obsessions is a well-documented issue.

Yeah, and I'm trying not to exacerbate it since the first day, but the simple fact that is that the system design encourages that kind of behavior, or using bannable automation in its place. the fact you don't have to do it is irrelevant.

People didn't have to wear a hole in their palm to win a stupid mario party minigame, but that was the easiest way to win it, so kids ended up with second degree burns on their hands. Nintendo responded by issuing a warning, offering free protective gloves to owners of the game... and also using the mechanic that caused the problem very rarely in subsequent releases. And changing their joystick design to one that didn't cause the problem as quickly. And they haven't released the original on virtual console either.

It encourages unhealthy behavior (both in terms of spending way too much time doing it, and in terms of clicking repeatedly to try to beat other people out). As any competent, responsible UX designer could tell you, that's something you need to fix, urgently.

There are literally dozens of products that have been recalled or banned because of stuff like that (of admittedly varying severity), and I'm not asking for anything like that. I just want them to fix it to be less stupid, because I don't want to sit around for hours trying to buy a fricking house. I don't want to sit there and tap out the same button sequence over and over trying to buy the thing. I don't want to have to risk a ban to automate the bloody thing.

But I have, in fact, already lost one because I tried to back off and not be dumb about it. Someone walked up and bought it before I could react while I wasn't spamming it, and if I had been, I would've gotten one already. That's stupid.

[Kenky]

Yeah, and I'm trying not to exacerbate it since the first day, but the simple fact that is that the system design encourages that kind of behavior, or using bannable automation in its place. the fact you don't have to do it is irrelevant.

People didn't have to wear a hole in their palm to win a stupid mario party minigame, but that was the easiest way to win it, so kids ended up with second degree burns on their hands. Nintendo responded by issuing a warning, offering free protective gloves to owners of the game... and also using the mechanic that caused the problem very rarely in subsequent releases. And changing their joystick design to one that didn't cause the problem as quickly. And they haven't released the original on virtual console either.

It encourages unhealthy behavior (both in terms of spending way too much time doing it, and in terms of clicking repeatedly to try to beat other people out). As any competent, responsible UX designer could tell you, that's something you need to fix, urgently.

There are literally dozens of products that have been recalled or banned because of stuff like that (of admittedly varying severity), and I'm not asking for anything like that. I just want them to fix it to be less stupid, because I don't want to sit around for hours trying to buy a fricking house. I don't want to sit there and tap out the same button sequence over and over trying to buy the thing. I don't want to have to risk a ban to automate the bloody thing.

But I have, in fact, already lost one because I tried to back off and not be dumb about it. Someone walked up and bought it before I could react while I wasn't spamming it, and if I had been, I would've gotten one already. That's stupid.

Well, then let me give you this little pearl of wisdom. (Given it in the other posts, but I assume you haven't looked through those)

Join a Housing Community. There are groups out there with the sole intention of helping you get a house. How they do it varies from group to group, but the general consensus is that they ping you when it's time to start camping the plot, due to "Prime time" since RNG timer averages and such.

And, just to be clear. The system doesn't "encourage" unhealthy behavior. That's the players response to it. The system is meant to discourage bots and plot-sellers, but I think we all know how well that turned out. The current system in place (despite needing a fix, for the most part) can't really be blamed if the players using said system prefer physical and mental pain / stress, because they're putting a worrying amount of weight to a virtual thing.

[shaiel]

There's how many hundreds of houses coming in 5.1 per server and free companies will get first dibs. You aren't tethered to your computer and nobody is making you click spam. The whole point of joining FCs is also not to have a house. There's extra benefits like airship and sub and gradening but my friends but that's just extra. There's solutions to your problem such as join one of the new EU worlds which still has mansions available for FCs, or JP worlds, or join forces / be absorbed by another FC that already has a house. Or again, be patient and wait for the patch with housing. Did you buy this game so you can have a house? Why blame developers for what happens to your health when you made the choice to click spam? There's plenty of other games for house simulator or even other MMOs with housing like ESO if it's that important to you. I have a private tropical island and 30 other houses, all instanced in that game. Clearly, FF needs instanced housing, but it's your choice to participate in the current system which you knew isn't instanced when you click spammed.

[TironStarstryker]

There's how many hundreds of houses coming in 5.1 per server and free companies will get first dibs. You aren't tethered to your computer and nobody is making you click spam. The whole point of joining FCs is also not to have a house. There's extra benefits like airship and sub and gradening but my friends but that's just extra. There's solutions to your problem such as join one of the new EU worlds which still has mansions available for FCs, or JP worlds, or join forces / be absorbed by another FC that already has a house. Or again, be patient and wait for the patch with housing. Did you buy this game so you can have a house? Why blame developers for what happens to your health when you made the choice to click spam? There's plenty of other games for house simulator or even other MMOs with housing like ESO if it's that important to you. I have a private tropical island and 30 other houses, all instanced in that game. Clearly, FF needs instanced housing, but it's your choice to participate in the current system which you knew isn't instanced when you click spammed.

I joined with a group of friends that mostly just started playing, and they chose the server we're on because a couple of us were already there. Trying to get the house for the entire *group* of us because none of us has one. So yeah, that doesn't really help.

Housing community is an interesting idea that I'll look into.

Just buying one from someone is nonviable, both since we frankly don't have enough cash to get one on the secondary market(the majority of us are new players), and because we would have to purchase an FC to do it since we don't already *have* a plot to relocate from. And I don't think we really want to get stuck with some random FC name that whoever happened to have just to get a house.

[Big_Bap]

I joined with a group of friends that mostly just started playing, and they chose the server we're on because a couple of us were already there. Trying to get the house for the entire *group* of us because none of us has one. So yeah, that doesn't really help.

Housing community is an interesting idea that I'll look into.

Just buying one from someone is nonviable, both since we frankly don't have enough cash to get one on the secondary market(the majority of us are new players), and because we would have to purchase an FC to do it since we don't already *have* a plot to relocate from. And I don't think we really want to get stuck with some random FC name that whoever happened to have just to get a house.

So instead of making money while enjoying the game, you prefer to spend your free time doing something ridiculously boring and "Physically Damaging" to use your own words. Amazing...

When you buy someone's FC, you end up with their house if they have one. You can also change the tag/name. Looking into how things worked might have been a better option compared to targeting a virtual piece of wood all day.

[Edax]

There's how many hundreds of houses coming in 5.1 per server and free companies will get first dibs. You aren't tethered to your computer and nobody is making you click spam. The whole point of joining FCs is also not to have a house. There's extra benefits like airship and sub and gradening but my friends but that's just extra. There's solutions to your problem such as join one of the new EU worlds which still has mansions available for FCs, or JP worlds, or join forces / be absorbed by another FC that already has a house. Or again, be patient and wait for the patch with housing. Did you buy this game so you can have a house? Why blame developers for what happens to your health when you made the choice to click spam? There's plenty of other games for house simulator or even other MMOs with housing like ESO if it's that important to you. I have a private tropical island and 30 other houses, all instanced in that game. Clearly, FF needs instanced housing, but it's your choice to participate in the current system which you knew isn't instanced when you click spammed.

I joined with a group of friends that mostly just started playing, and they chose the server we're on because a couple of us were already there. Trying to get the house for the entire *group* of us because none of us has one. So yeah, that doesn't really help.

Housing community is an interesting idea that I'll look into.

Just buying one from someone is nonviable, both since we frankly don't have enough cash to get one on the secondary market(the majority of us are new players), and because we would have to purchase an FC to do it since we don't already *have* a plot to relocate from. And I don't think we really want to get stuck with some random FC name that whoever happened to have just to get a house.

Your ignoring the fact that hundreds of houses are coming in 5.1
Instead of destroying your wrist and complaining about it to everyone, you retain the option of waiting a few weeks to get a house with ease.

[TironStarstryker]

Your ignoring the fact that hundreds of houses are coming in 5.1
Instead of destroying your wrist and complaining about it to everyone, you retain the option of waiting a few weeks to get a house with ease.

So instead of making money while enjoying the game, you prefer to spend your free time doing something ridiculously boring and "Physically Damaging" to use your own words. Amazing...

When you buy someone's FC, you end up with their house if they have one. You can also change the tag/name. Looking into how things worked might have been a better option compared to targeting a virtual piece of wood all day.

1.) I have, in fact, backed *way* off and haven't been bothering to camp or spam in days, dramatically reducing my chances of getting a house for the FC anytime soon.
2.) I'm the person least able to make cash in the FC atm.
3.) Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that it's a badly designed system. Extremely Badly designed.

The simple fact is, the optimal way to get a house quickly under normal circumstances (so *not* including extraordinary, rare, one-time events where more housing becomes available!) is to have as many people as possible constantly trying to buy every open house. Either via wrist-wrecking manual inputs or bannable macros.

No commentary about behavior, about the fact my specific situation will temporarily stop being a problem in a few weeks, or any other alleged 'mitigating factor' thus far presented changes that fact.

I can, in fact, think of only two ways that the current system could cease being totally awful for anyone trying to buy a house.

1.) Increase the cost so much that the number of people seeking houses is reduced to the point where there's openings that last *beyond* the end of the timers. My estimate is this would be somewhere around a factor of 100 times more expensive.
2.) Increase the number of houses by a tremendous factor so that there's actually close to enough to satisfy demand. I estimate this would require at *least* a doubling of current stocks, and probably more like triple or quadruple the present number.

Neither seems likely. Measures to fix the current system so that sitting and spamming for hours on end is no longer the most effective solution would be both easier and more reasonable. Anyone that says otherwise... well, I have to question their motives.

Edit: Just to illustrate... I've been casually monitoring the available plots today, and of the Six I've found, only one had been consistently camped (the worst one too, oddly.), but now, suddenly, *all of them* are camped. So my choices are... give up, or start trying to outcompete one of them via spam. Which is... wrong.

[Besame]

I used to play every day until things happening in game started irritating me and I found I was not enjoying time spent like I used to. I log in 3-4x a week to grab xworld hunts fill my tomes, get a piece of 460 gear and craft a bit, check my ventures, attend a special event etc then outie. If the game is stressing you or making you angry, find another that doesn't, I did. I have a medium house but always wanted a large in a good location. Didn't happen, now I rarely change my house stuff anymore and I used to be an avid deco freak hehe.