Chad Mages What else would you want right now for our class

[Archwizard]

Making fire 1 instant is a buff.

True enough, but largely insofar as it makes timing a tiny bit easier. Potencies wouldn't change, and with the same MP costs, same number of casts.

You'd lose less damage in movement phases compared to using Scathe, but counterpoint, you would have avoided Scathe anyway.

[Kabooa]

True enough, but only insofar as it makes timing a tiny bit easier. Potencies wouldn't change, and with the same MP costs, same number of casts.

It's a fairly good buff. It adds significantly more flexibility and a permanent not-terrible movement option. Basically giving Black mages the same mobility-potency all the time that Summoners only enjoy during Firebird trance, in addition to all the current tools.

[Archwizard]

It's a fairly good buff. It adds significantly more flexibility and a permanent not-terrible movement option. Basically giving Black mages the same mobility-potency all the time that Summoners only enjoy during Firebird trance, in addition to all the current tools.

And as I said before, we would still avoid using it for movement as much as possible, just like we do with Scathe now.

[Kabooa]

And as I said before, we would still avoid using it for movement as much as possible, just like we do with Scathe now.

Which is untrue. You simply cannot account for all potential movement scenarios. Some, such as Pantokrator or the standard PF strat for Final Omega, for example, required some degree of proc luck in order to deal with several mechanics and lose absolutely nothing.

What this does is effectively allow every single swiftcast and triple to only be used on Fire 4 or Despair, and while that seems obvious, you don't always get that choice. Now, you do.

[Archwizard]

What this does is effectively allow every single swiftcast and triple to only be used on Fire 4 or Despair, and while that seems obvious, you don't always get that choice. Now, you do.

Doesn't really defeat my point anyway, as buff of any substance or no, it would still also improve quality of life (even if not exclusively) and fits with the thread discussion of "What else I want for BLM."

But fine, "Making fire 1 instant is a buff." And?

[SaberMaxwell]

Fire 1 could become instant, and the "BLM is an immobile turret" meme would probably still exist.

I'm shootposting of course, but I do agree with Kabooa in regards to that idea, it would be a good quality of life sure, but it makes BLM's minigame of elemental timers kind of...way easier.

[Lilyth]

Black Mage is one of the best designed games in the moment right now, however I'd echo what Tint suggested.

Blizzard 2 being changed to low level Freeze normalizes the Umbral Ice phase of Black Mages AOE rotation throughout all levels. Making Fire 2 instantly switch you to AF3 removes the odd quirk of having to either do a Single Target Fire 3 during the AOE rotation to change or having your first Umbral Ice phase Flare being a damage gain in huge packs. Otherwise I think the job is great.

At that point the only two "Bad" skills the job will have are Sleep and Scathe.

I hate using Cold Flare instead of F3 in big packs. Why can't F2 give us AF3 like it's counterpart Freeze does?

+1 make F2 usable again, make it give AF3.

[Archwizard]

it would be a good quality of life sure, but it makes BLM's minigame of elemental timers kind of...way easier.

And as I raise and light my cigar off my thumb with an instant Fire 1 I reiterate: ... that's a problem how?

I did suggest it as an advancement "after you obtain Fire 4." For all I care it's an advancement at level 98 or has an extra long GCD, I'd just rather Fire 1 instead of Scathe, and have any use for Blizz1 really.

[SaberMaxwell]

And as I raise and light my cigar off my thumb with an instant Fire 1 I reiterate: ... that's a problem how?

Some people like the minigame as it is, and seeing it reduced to an afterthought like instant fire 1 would make it might be disappointing. It's not a problem for people who wouldn't mind, but for people who do it's not a suggestion they'd support.

I did suggest it as an advancement "after you obtain Fire 4." For all I care it's an advancement at level 98 or has an extra long GCD, I'd just rather Fire 1 instead of Scathe, and have any use for Blizz1 really.

Ok so in this world where we have an extra long Fire 1 GCD instacast, would BLM have an alternative spell that's not longer than the gcd to maintain their cpm?

[smol_cofe]

I like everything as it is, but if I had to ask, some really good glamours in that new dungeon for 5.1