Forced scarcity and exclusivity.

[Arillyn]

I dunno there are handbags that limited runs, and we haven't ran out of leather to make them so unreal life their are unlimited resoruces for most exclusive things , and people would be willing to buy them but the company forces limited runs to up the value and force scarcity and exclusivity, yet that doesn't ruin the hand bag enthusiasts, similar with guns, cars, jewelry etc. To say I'm clueless when it this happens on a daily basis is a stretch. Also what's up with the attacking and talking down to someone tone? Lastly what your looking for is a participation award, I was asking why having a winners award was looked down on. If you go into the Olympics not everyone can win gold. Some rewards should be for those people who perform at that level in the game correct? In your debate you would like everyone to get a participations award for just doing the content, not being the best, or the fastest at it correct?

These rewards exist already in the Ultimate raids. Why does it need to be limited to the people who get there the fastest or only the top 100 (arbitrary number). People who join two years from now may want to test themselves on those Ultimate raids. If they win but started playing the game "too late" then they didn't earn them? They still did the content and earned them and the bragging rights that goes along with it.

[Mistyregions]

These rewards exist already in the Ultimate raids. Why does it need to be limited to the people who get there the fastest or only the top 100 (arbitrary number). People who join two years from now may want to test themselves on those Ultimate raids. If they win but started playing the game "too late" then they didn't earn them? They still did the content and earned them and the bragging rights that goes along with it.

I dunno, let's see if I can explain my train of thought for ultimates and if it was limited for a certain amount of time.

I joined 2 weeks after it ended, I would be bummed but I would definitely be ready for the next go around. I dunno that's the end of that thought lol.i could use what people experienced in that ultimate to get myself ready, that would be optimal use of my time.

I guess a real life equivalent is like, being upset you where born after the apple stocks took off, instead maybe you could learn about what to look for leading up to the next home run in stock investments? Probably not the best analogy but my point stands, sometimes, you just dont get to do do stuff and you should be ready for the next round of it. It takes alot of energy to be upset about it. I couldn't spend that energy even if it was financed.

[Arillyn]

I dunno, let's see if I can explain my train of thought for ultimates and if it was limited for a certain amount of time.

I joined 2 weeks after it ended, I would be bummed but I would definitely be ready for the next go around. I dunno that's the end of that thought lol.i could use what people experienced in that ultimate to get myself ready, that would be optimal use of my time.

Okay I understand where you are coming from on that score. But I personally don't think things like the Ultimates should be exclusive to time. They are already exclusive to ability. You can't cheese them and do them unsynced. So no matter when someone starts the game they have the same difficult fight that those who first fought them had. And end-game raiders already complain that they don't have enough content to do at end-game. Making something like that exclusive to a timeframe limits those end-game raiders even more. I don't think they should lose those raids in end-game rotation so to speak.

As for other exclusives I have had some that were then opened up to other people down the road. I don't begrudge those people that. I got them at the time and I was proud of them. I still am, others having gotten them later doesn't take that away. There are other things that I didn't get at the beginning and I got them later. My getting them doesn't take away the fact that others strove hard and got them first.

I don't count items/exclusives as something I'm proud of. It's those things or achievements that I did that make me proud. Some are in-game items or achievements. Some are self-made goals in the game that no one knows about but me. If I am understanding you correctly it's more about "earning" an achievement and where did those feels go. I've played MMOs for a very long time and I get that drive. There are things from past MMOs that I'm still proud of that me and my friends talk about. They were fun and amazing to accomplish. But in the end, for me, they are still video game achievements. Something I am proud of doing in the games I've played for sure. But I don't get upset when other's also get the same items or achievements as me nor do I really mind when they got them.

[Mistyregions]

Okay I understand where you are coming from on that score. But I personally don't think things like the Ultimates should be exclusive to time. They are already exclusive to ability. You can't cheese them and do them unsynced. So no matter when someone starts the game they have the same difficult fight that those who first fought them had. And end-game raiders already complain that they don't have enough content to do at end-game. Making something like that exclusive to a timeframe limits those end-game raiders even more. I don't think they should lose those raids in end-game rotation so to speak.

As for other exclusives I have had some that were then opened up to other people down the road. I don't begrudge those people that. I got them at the time and I was proud of them. I still am, others having gotten them later doesn't take that away. There are other things that I didn't get at the beginning and I got them later. My getting them doesn't take away the fact that others strove hard and got them first.

I don't count items/exclusives as something I'm proud of. It's those things or achievements that I did that make me proud. Some are in-game items or achievements. Some are self-made goals in the game that no one knows about but me. If I am understanding you correctly it's more about "earning" an achievement and where did those feels go. I've played MMOs for a very long time and I get that drive. There are things from past MMOs that I'm still proud of that me and my friends talk about. They were fun and amazing to accomplish. But in the end, for me, they are still video game achievements. Something I am proud of doing in the games I've played for sure. But I don't get upset when other's also get the same items or achievements as me nor do I really mind when they got them.

Fair point.