Genuine question for those upset with the new Mentor requirements

[347SPECTRE]

Never even heard of the Novice network until I had already been playing a year and a half.

[Thamorian]

You don't even need the Novice Network too, even free trial characters can join your own LS. (Up to 128 persons and 64 for each crossworld linkshells)

That's why I think the mentor system is redundant.

Yeah, not wasting a LS or crossworld LS space for a pseudo-Novice Network especially one with less space where people can't drop in and out as needed. Most of the time, linkshells will usually only have maybe a dozen people online out of a full 128 people, that's not very efficient for a pseudo-Novice Network. The way linkshells work is not a viable alternative. The real novice network works just fine. Some servers just need players to step up and get together to help moderate NN better. Our NN does A-OK over here on Gilgamesh.

[Duskane]

most people just want the crown for there bugs bunny horse or "name glamor" as some said in another thread

[Rasikko]

For the altruistic.

[KageTokage]

Most people only want the crown for aesthetics judging from how few people actually talk in NN on my server, let alone answer questions. Unfortunately, those people aren't going to be removed even if they don't get recertified.

I think as part of the changes they should disable auto-join for Novice Network and make it opt-in only so that the people who actually care about helping sprouts are more likely to get a spot

[Voltyblast]

Why do you need a crown symbol to help people?

Honestly I don't need a crown, HOWEVER, it does feel nice to be recognized as someone who is helpful and is worthy of trust. This is the internet, nobody can trust nobody, so having a sign that you're somewhat helpful and can be relied upon is a big deal if you ask me, and I was initially very happy to have that mentor status, because it meant that I was valuable enough to be helpful and players could rely on me

Too bad it's nothing like that and not only helping is heavily discouraged due to the "compelling playstyle" rule, but many others use the crown symbol just to show off. I haven't bothered to use the crown since then really and I don't dare to try ask if anyone needs help in fear of being banned.

When the renewal comes out I'll update my status but I'll keep doing what I'm doing: mind my own business.
Not worth the risk of being banned for someone who can't take criticism or refuses to get helped. Sorry.

[Blokeymon]

Can they access the NN and provide answers to sprout questions without it?

I believe the new notes state that existing mentors who do not make the new requirements for mentor can still post in NN but just can't do mentor roulettes.

As for a predetermined definition of a mentor, then yeah, I have one. It involves not being a douche, actually helping and giving good advice, and not giving up or getting salty after a wipe. Would you consider that to be unreasonable?

[Blokeymon]

Honestly I don't need a crown, HOWEVER, it does feel nice to be recognized as someone who is helpful and is worthy of trust. This is the internet, nobody can trust nobody, so having a sign that you're somewhat helpful and can be relied upon is a big deal if you ask me, and I was initially very happy to have that mentor status, because it meant that I was valuable enough to be helpful and players could rely on me

Too bad it's nothing like that and not only helping is heavily discouraged due to the "compelling playstyle" rule, but many others use the crown symbol just to show off. I haven't bothered to use the crown since then really and I don't dare to try ask if anyone needs help in fear of being banned.

When the renewal comes out I'll update my status but I'll keep doing what I'm doing: mind my own business.
Not worth the risk of being banned for someone who can't take criticism or refuses to get helped. Sorry.

It's such a shame you'll be renewing and then just going about your own business, but I'll be doing the same.

That said, when it comes to being recognised, then just be outwardly helpful and nice to others in duties. Don't be afraid to ask if any newcomers need tips. In some duties, I'll throw up a marker on my head and let first timers know to follow me in the event of certain "do or die" mechanics.

I also crack stupid-ass jokes during cutscenes in MSQ roulettes, raise a few laughs. That kind of thing gets you recognised too, only this time they recognise the name, not just the crown. Much more satisfying.

[Thamorian]

I believe the new notes state that existing mentors who do not make the new requirements for mentor can still post in NN but just can't do mentor roulettes.

As for a predetermined definition of a mentor, then yeah, I have one. It involves not being a douche, actually helping and giving good advice, and not giving up or getting salty after a wipe. Would you consider that to be unreasonable?

Nothing wrong with your expectations of a mentor. To many people on this forum and on reddit expect mentors to know all content including extreme fights well enough to explain them and have the patience of a saint, to stay a whole 90 minutes in an extreme trials where it's obvious the party doesn't have a snowball chance in hell of clearing then get mad when mentors recommend making an unsynced party in PF. I see mentors purpose as to explain basic game mechanics and basic information about a class or job or information about UI and HUD. To many people expect waaaaaaaaaaaay more than what SE states in game what expectations are.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

I personally don't care about having a crown, I was always in favor of it being something simple like a watering can.

It's just that having access to novice Network makes it a little easier to see and help people have questions.

I can still do that as a trade mentor in 5.1, I've never had all of the duties available to unlock Mentor roulette anyway