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  1. #41
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    Auryan's Avatar
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    Mister Feeny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I think you're confusing different levels of terminology there. Blue mage is a Disciple of Magic [limited job] as opposed to a Disciple of Magic [job].
    I'm aware that it is technically a caster DPS with caster role skills, I'm saying it shouldn't be labeled as such. Especially if they have plans down the line to add more jobs like this. Consolidating them under a different name would make more sense and would clear up some confusion when playing as these jobs.
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  2. #42
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    Savagelf's Avatar
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    Aribeth Lightbringer
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Elective Jobs Auryan would this term work
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  3. #43
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    Videra Svenay
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 83
    Some people simply want to fight against their own best interests, OP is a prime example.
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  4. #44
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    Junpei Iorii
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    first I find this ideal a good ideal. for many reason. let suppose SE introduce beast master this mean we tame beast. let suppose they add feature of let us keep are pets. this mean we train are pets.

    limit jobs should have ability work together in dungeons, because well they limited jobs. players can have combat jobs that aren't tied to raids and dungeon system were players feel rush to get the job to lvl 70. these jobs can have more detail focus system. such as ability to keep your pet and lvling raise them up. the devs can get more creative with the limited jobs through their should negative the dungeon/raid jobs. SE can test more stuff in the limited jobs and see what they apply to the not limited jobs use what they learned for the limited jobs.
    You're like the very tiny, minuscule minority here then lol.
    BLU is probably the least used amount of content and if
    it was taken away, I'm sure no one would care because it's terrible.
    I'm sad they are even continuing to add more stuff to this job instead of deleting it and starting over.
    IMO, they can make it a mage, with some way of making monster attacks
    flow with the core combat. It really doesn't have to be 100% like other Final Fantasy's...

    Wouldn't you just be happier if you could run BST with the rest of us in dungeons and raids
    and not this boring crap like BLU? I'm very disappointed in BLU's release and
    I don't even like BLU in any FF's. I just feel bad for everyone who wanted this job and turned into dookie lol.
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    Last edited by Jybril; 10-04-2019 at 06:03 AM. Reason: Formatting.

  5. #45
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    Wouldn't you just be happier if you could run BST with the rest of us in dungeons and raids
    I'm pretty sure you would eat those words the first time you'd be kicked from a Extreme Primal because you don't have that super duper rare pet that requires you to clear savage 4.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    I just feel bad for everyone who wanted this job and turned into dookie lol.
    Problem is, the collection process of BLU makes it too much unpredictable in random groups, and if you remove that to better fit into the game, then you're simply not a Blue Mage, so what would even be the point of putting it into the game ?
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    Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

  6. #46
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    Bright-Flower's Avatar
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    Nyr Ardyne
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 100
    I look forward to limited jobs/updates to them in the same way I look forward to say GS updates. A neat side activity but nothing major. That's ultimately what blue mage is. A neat little side activity.
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  7. #47
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Problem is, the collection process of BLU makes it too much unpredictable in random groups, and if you remove that to better fit into the game, then you're simply not a Blue Mage, so what would even be the point of putting it into the game ?
    I don't think that's a fact. I mean you're free to have it as an opinion, and maybe that's all you meant when saying it, but I read that as if you were saying it was a fact and I'd have to say I don't think so (opinion? I'm arguing for fact but yeeh... lol). They could have had you learn 20 or so spells in the field, certainly it would be different than leveling up a job normally but it wouldn't prevent blue mage from performing and behaving like a blue would be expected. And to that they could join groups with incomplete spells, I'd say we see that sometimes already (people on their classes/didn't do job quests), and people want to put things in the way to stop that too.. which you could do for blue mage as well, there is nothing in the core of blue mage that says "I get to join parties incomplete, else I'm not a blue mage" lol.

    The idea you can set up different kits of spells isn't really a core blue mage concept, mostly just a FFXI thing and a lot of it comes from the passive trait concept. "In ffxi you had to learn the spells via scrolls, it's not a black mage unless I can skip a spell cause I didn't pay for it". Not saying that's your argument but preemptively saying that kit choices isn't a hardcore blue mage concept (like how SMN has been a WHM/BLM/Materia, only core part of SMN is summoning and everything else is vaguely in the air). The list of spells also isn't typically "all the skills you see monsters use", so its not like if blue mage doesn't have 100 abilities he's a failure (many of the FF games have blue mage with ~20 or less, a number other mages have competed up to before). Only hard core blue mage concept is simply learning monster spells which you do not need to kick blue mage out of a balanced DF environment to do that last bit. It's just easier to do so lol. Concept of kit may be fun, just saying it's not a requirement to make it a blue mage (currently kit concept is a bit dead, but maybe after a bunch of level increases it becomes a thing).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 10-04-2019 at 07:50 AM.

  8. #48
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    ReiMakoto's Avatar
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    Rei Makato
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    Zodiark
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I'm pretty sure you would eat those words the first time you'd be kicked from a Extreme Primal because you don't have that super duper rare pet that requires you to clear savage 4.

    Problem is, the collection process of BLU makes it too much unpredictable in random groups, and if you remove that to better fit into the game, then you're simply not a Blue Mage, so what would even be the point of putting it into the game ?
    To qualify as a BLU it literally just needs to use skills that monsters use that players generally can't, learnt through typically traditional means. If all of BLU's rotational skills were from the overworld/ normal mode instances with 100% learn rate upon seeing it once then it would still be BLU, if someones gonna turn up at level 80 having learned 2 skills theyre getting the boot if its a system as easy as I layed it out, but even then you have people turning up already in level 80 content who press like 2 buttons and expect a carry, how would BLU skills be any different
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

  9. #49
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    Videra Svenay
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    Warrior Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I'm pretty sure you would eat those words the first time you'd be kicked from a Extreme Primal because you don't have that super duper rare pet that requires you to clear savage 4.

    Problem is, the collection process of BLU makes it too much unpredictable in random groups, and if you remove that to better fit into the game, then you're simply not a Blue Mage, so what would even be the point of putting it into the game ?
    Then, I have a very simple solution to propose to you - make them normal jobs. BADA BING BADA BOOM! Problem solved! This limited job malarky needs to die in a fire.
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  10. #50
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    Junpei Iorii
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I'm pretty sure you would eat those words the first time you'd be kicked from a Extreme Primal because you don't have that super duper rare pet that requires you to clear savage 4.
    That's if they turn around and use the BLU system which is what we don't want.
    Beast Tamer would probably work akin to SMN probably.
    Have a mini pet, and then able to call out a special one for a limited time, like Bahamut and Phoenix.
    Who wouldn't want to have a psuedo-Daigoro?! Or maybe a Paissa LOL.

    I just think all the jobs people want need to be worked
    into the game as a normal job or it'll be a massive waste of resources.
    I'm always pro-options but this fell flat and should never be done again
    because this is what we're facing right now:
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