Is this gonna be the norm for getting Castrum in MSQ roulette..?

[Alleo]

So I loaded into Castrum today for my daily dose of MSQ roulette and 3 people *instantly* left. And then the fourth d/c'd in order to get kicked... is this just because of the Moogle tomestones? Anyone else have this happen to them?

I dont understand why the other did not just leave since you cant get a penality if the group is not full.

Sadly people leaving seems much more common in that roulette even before the event, since a lot of people do it for exp and this one gives much less exp than the "afk dungeon". With the event in place I fear that this might even happen more. In my experience around half the runs I did in that dungeon had at least one person leave. And in one run I too left...after half of them were gone and the second tank was single pulling then auto attacking them...


About harsher punishment: Maybe 30 minutes is not enough but something like a day? Why would such a harsh penality be fine? What if you are in a toxic or troll group and now you are either forced to deal with it or being able to not use the instances for a whole day? How is that in any way reasonable?

[Fhaerron]

Stupid of the 4th one to DC to get kicked. As soon as somebody leaves the other people can leave without getting a penalty.

[ForteNightshade]

To answer the OP. Castrum just isn't worth running. While the Moogle event technically makes it better than Prae in terms of tomes gained per time spent, the EXP difference is so enormous people would rather just do Prae. Not to mention, the latter allows you to go do something else and doesn't have nearly as many pointless cut scenes.

[Flay_wind]

Personally i dislike tanking CM. It's a lot of somewhat busy work, when people sometimes forget to turn off the lights, do not pick up canisters, do stupid shit on Livia, when she runs all over the place, etc etc.
Prae is "let me make myself a sandwich or two and push some buttons in between".

[HyoMinPark]

Technically there is a penalty for forced D/Cs :

Taken from the other thread about MSQ skipping cutscenes.

There is also this which was added to the revised ToS back in Feb.

◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" means all behaviour in general that obstructs another person's game play. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play:

・Spamming
This means using chat (including Quick Chat and Emote) to obstruct another person's conversation, or obstruct the use of mog letters, etc., for example, by sending an excessive number of unnecessary items in mog letters, etc. Even if obstruction was not the objective of the behaviour, it may be deemed a violation if another player is actually obstructed by the behaviour.

・Obstructing transit/progress
This means obstructive behaviour such as group blocking of passages or facilities along which many players pass or obstructing another person's game play progress, for example by overlapping an important NPC deliberately for a long time.

・Improper expulsion voting
This means excluding another person by manipulation of expulsion voting.

・Intentional leaving or disconnection
This means obstructing another person's game play by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server.

・Other obstruction of play
This means all other behaviour that deliberately obstructs another person's game play by some means.



So there is a penalty if caught and reported for it your risking a suspension/ban, but the hurdle is proving that the D/Cs were intentional, someone disconnects at the start not saying anything you can't do much and report will probably just get put aside, person says not this again or kick me then D/C then you probably have a more intentional case still be hard to prove unless consistent with said duty etc.

I’m aware of that. But monk-dps wants to penalize all disconnects—I’m assuming with duty lockout timers, and possibly extreme ones since they’re advocating for a 24 hour penalty for dropping a duty. The developers would never do this because people do legitimately disconnect in this game, and they won’t put blanket punishments on things that will punish innocent players.

[monk-dps]

I’m aware of that. But monk-dps wants to penalize all disconnects—I’m assuming with duty lockout timers, and possibly extreme ones since they’re advocating for a 24 hour penalty for dropping a duty. The developers would never do this because people do legitimately disconnect in this game, and they won’t put blanket punishments on things that will punish innocent players.

I dailed back the 24 hour idea cause it is abit much. But I still think the penatly should be a bit more punishing. At least so that the people abusing the system stop, as it stands now noone takes the 30 minute one seriously enough. I don't think it's unfair to ask for the rule to be abit more taxing. And yes there are always X factors to everything. But if we keep only thinking about random X factor here that rule will never be taken seriously. Something needs to give I think. I think 1 hour is enough to keep people from abusing it. Will out cry happen, yes, but at this point it'll get the point accross to not break that rule.

Edit: Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way, at the same time those two dungeons already give the most exp each. And people still do what op withness. I guess SE could add something to make/want people to stay in there. I don't know what though to be honest as they both give the most exp of anything while leveling. And making the cutscenes skibbable would just lower the exp anyway. I just honestly believe if it was upped to one hour people would be more careful about dropping it screwing over the people actually trying to run it. It's not perfect I know, but every bit helps I think. As for people demanding to be kicked if that were to happen, then I say update the report function so that trolling or making other people kick you were punishable too. MAke it like a drop menu like the one we have now so that innocent people aren't targeted. I don't know, I'm not a programer, I'm just tossing out ideas to help make it less damnable.

[HyoMinPark]

I dailed back the 24 hour idea cause it is abit much. But I still think the penatly should be a bit more punishing. At least so that the people abusing the system stop, as it stands now noone takes the 30 minute one seriously enough. I don't think it's unfair to ask for the rule to be abit more taxing. And yes there are always X factors to everything. But if we keep only thinking about random X factor here that rule will never be taken seriously. Something needs to give I think. I think 1 hour is enough to keep people from abusing it. Will out cry happen, yes, but at this point it'll get the point accross to not break that rule.

At least an hour is less extreme—but you can’t force a player to stay in a piece of content with you. I’d wager some would still leave even with an hour long penalty if it was a duty they absolutely abhor. I still don’t think there needs to be a change because, again: you can’t force people to stay in content if they don’t want to.

[monk-dps]

At least an hour is less extreme—but you can’t force a player to stay in a piece of content with you. I’d wager some would still leave even with an hour long penalty if it was a duty they absolutely abhor. I still don’t think there needs to be a change because, again: you can’t force people to stay in content if they don’t want to.

Then what dose SE do then? If they do nothing all it'll do is make the people who are complaining about it now to complain more. That's how we got here in the first place with the new TOS and the changes to those dungeons. Maybe I'm jadded but if nothing changes then it'll just get worse and we'll have another TOS like change where it'll be way too extreme. D: But I'm most likely jadded.

[Eisenhower]

Then what dose SE do then?

The answer is super simple: they pay off the design debt they incurred when they decided to make a compulsory dungeon for unlocking content that contains time-wasting cutscenes that can't be skipped. Make it a Trust dungeon.

When you're new to the content, it sucks because everyone else wants to dip out. So you end up stressed or you get a super wonky dungeon/story experience where everyone rushes towards the end.
When you're a veteran revisiting, it sucks because you're stuck watching the same boring cutscene for the millionth time and there's no way to bypass it and just clear this chore you're starting to regret signing up to.

Players drop the dungeon because it's high effort/annoyance, low entertainment, and time consuming. Stack punishment on top of that and the response will be further avoidance.

[PyurBlue]

I dailed back the 24 hour idea cause it is abit much. But I still think the penatly should be a bit more punishing. At least so that the people abusing the system stop, as it stands now noone takes the 30 minute one seriously enough.

Is that true? The people who don't take it seriously leave. The people who do take it seriously don't leave. You can easily see the former group, but that doesn't mean the latter doesn't exist.

Then what dose SE do then? If they do nothing all it'll do is make the people who are complaining about it now to complain more.

SE can just do nothing. There are likely to be complaints whether they do something or not. I'd certainly feel like complaining about getting a penalty for no reason, which doesn't happen with the current system.