PVP exclusive mounts rewards are unfair to non pvp players

[Lunavi]

So you OP seriously believe that just because you do not enjoy one piece of content it should have zero worthwhile rewards tied to it? The reason WHY these mounts are there in the first place is because the PvP in this game used to be so unpopulated that those who actually wanted to play PvP couldn't as the queues could be above four hours.

[Adamantini]

Let me comprehend this.

It's not fair to a PVE player that the game has exclusive PVP rewards, but it is entirely fair for a PVP player that the game has exclusive PVE rewards.

Oh, ok! Fair enough

Or do you think it would be more fair if mounts were obtained by just spending a little Gil, not through your effort?

BS! If you want pvp rewards, so make it happen doing pvp. I don't like the pvp in this game, but I have all GARO rewards. And I don't like Rathalos fight, but I will need to kill him 41 more times to get the mount too. And this is totally fair for me. It makes these mounts cool, like a trophy of your effort.

[Dzian]

Let me put it this way, if the only value any item has is because you were the only one to get it then it doesn't hold much value then, as all it would take to kill that is for everyone ever to do the content in question..

Ah but that would be no bad thing. And would actually benefit the game as a whole if it ever happened.

If everyone cleared that content and got that reward at it's original difficulty that would ever be seen as a good thing. It would mean the average skill of players would obviously be much higher and the devs could then stop designing content that can be face rolled and is boring as a result.

Which would then in turn make the game more rewarding to play and likely go a long way to keeping players interested and engaged for longer....

[Nirokun]

Edit: I'm stating this again so people know. I'm not saying we should be handled everything for no work. That's not how anything works in game or in real life. What I am saying is that everything devalues anyway, so wanting endgame stuff to always be super hard to get isn't how this works either. Let me put it this way, if the only value any item has is because you were the only one to get it then it doesn't hold much value then, as all it would take to kill that is for everyone ever to do the content in question. My value for anything is the fact I worked to get whatever, and that has nothing to do with how you get the same item. As all I care about is having the thing for me to use. I don't care how anyone else gets said item.

Not everything devalues. I said this before and I'll say it again, PVP rewards are trophies. It's like any major sporting event (ex. the Olympics), win at the very end, get a trophy. Your PVP reward tells literally everyone else that you were top 100 and what season.

If you give anyone outside of top 100 the trophy (or give a top 100 trophy to the wrong season), you devalue the trophy by destroying the meaning. If you don't have it, it's because you didn't earn it.

[monk-dps]

Not everything devalues. I said this before and I'll say it again, PVP rewards are trophies. It's like any major sporting event (ex. the Olympics), win at the very end, get a trophy. Your PVP reward tells literally everyone else that you were top 100 and what season.

If you give anyone outside of top 100 the trophy (or give a top 100 trophy to the wrong season), you devalue the trophy by destroying the meaning. If you don't have it, it's because you didn't earn it.

I think we're actually on the same side. As I'm saying if you want the things then do the content. I just think those items have no value other then having said item. Anything other then that means nothing imo. So no I don't agree with op. I also don't think they should be compared to trophies either but I'm just odd on that front. The only reason why those are rare is because everyone isn't doing said content. If they were we wouldn't be having this chat. Really OP and others just needs to play the game.

[Wiccan026]

It took me a total of 3 days to get my Feast mount. Mind you, this was only doing a couple of hours a day, and queuing alone.
I did a bit of research, and went in as a GNB a ripped healers to pieces with whatever group I queued in with. I didn't find it taxing or hard to get my wins. Practice runs count, so you don't need to play ranked to get the mount in The Feast.

Don't know how it is in your data center, but in Aether, for Frontline, I believe just being in the Immortal Flames(It might be them, I honestly forget) grants you a quick and easy win, because the teams are stacked.

Playing a few hours of PvP a day, you could still easily get the mounts in llike.. what.. a week, week and a half?

This is something that does differ though based off on what data center the player exists in.

The primal one for instance is currently set up this way: You queue as a frontline player freelancer and you will never end up as a Mael (which is almost always the winner) and the reason why is there is a significant group on Primal who refuse to queues as freelancer who exist in Mael and end up having more cohesive groups.

Also I have tried several roles and learned them in PvP and thats not the issue (granted I will admit Im just talking about frontlines and not feast because Feast is never a mode that I learned how to play) sometimes the issue is really the 1 versus 2 system.

[Moonlite]

A little surprised that the more obvious solution to me wasn't suggested, reskins. They have reskinned gobbue that was exclusive and put a new one in. They have reskinned certain mounts and sold them for cash. At this point the only thing they haven't sold out on is the legacy tattoo. They probably hope that they can have an e-sports division some day or I am sure all the pvp stuff would be available in some form by now.

[hynaku]

when Garo event ends bet pvp mounts will one day show up on the Mogstation or be able to buy them from Itinerant Moogle during the event. Know on Aion could use any pvp gear in pve content. Same with Blade and Soul can wear pvp gear in pve content.

[Mhaeric]

I've been playing mmos for over 15 years, it's the first time that i'm seeing pvp exclusive rewards that can be used outside of the pvp sphere. This is absolutely nonsense.

Just off the top of my head, GW2 has several armor skins and minions that are only achieved through PvP that can be used in PvE.

[Commander_Justitia]

Know on Aion could use any pvp gear in pve content. Same with Blade and Soul can wear pvp gear in pve content.

Lvl1-60 gear is also good for PvE, the PvP entry level was 50 and 60.
With Stormblood PvP entry lvl changed to 30, the lvl 70 gear turned into lvl1 glam gear. Do you want only lvl70 characters to be able to use PvP gear and people who join it at lvl30 go out empty? This is the thought you have to make with this system now.
We don't have any new 5.0 items for PvP anyway, which is a bit sad because the Heavensward addon got 2 full sets and Garo Event started there.
An easy solution would be, to make the next gear lvl80 but to allow glamouring of those items on lower ilvl items. But this is currently forbidden.