Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[savageink]

Is it normal for a mch to steal hate on almost every pull? Cause thats what's happening to me randomly.

It's pretty easy as a MCH to steal hate from a tank if they are pulling singly and not following up with an aoe or 2 to solidify their status on the rest of the connected mobs. If I notice the tank isn't actually hitting all the mobs I try to stick to the ones he did hit until he starts aoe rotation.

edit: It's really an issue when the tank is doing a running pull by only using shield lob or provoke and you toss an aoe at the group and half of them turn around and stop following the tank.

edtit 2: The same thing happens to healers when they try to heal the abovementioned single shot run and gun tank. I don't know how many times I've had to turn around to pull a mob off the healer who was just trying to keep the tank up through his pull.

[Callinon]

I should've worded that more clearly. I wasn't the tank.. I was the MCH taking hate FROM the tanks I've been grouped up with. D:

Were they asleep?

I mean, MCH certainly does some respectable damage, especially burst damage. But tanks generate just an insane amount of aggro if they're really pushing any buttons at all. I'd check to see if the tanks you're with are actually using their tank stance. Because that's about the only way that should happen.

[monk-dps]

Were they asleep?

I mean, MCH certainly does some respectable damage, especially burst damage. But tanks generate just an insane amount of aggro if they're really pushing any buttons at all. I'd check to see if the tanks you're with are actually using their tank stance. Because that's about the only way that should happen.

The last time it happened I looked to see if it was off and it wasn't. I think it might be on my end as I start aoeing as soon as I see them get pulled so I'mma wait a second or two to make sure they have all their hate. As I always tend to get one lone mob at me while the rest are punching the tank in the face like they should.

[KaleShibata]

The last time it happened I looked to see if it was off and it wasn't. I think it might be on my end as I start aoeing as soon as I see them get pulled so I'mma wait a second or two to make sure they have all their hate. As I always tend to get one lone mob at me while the rest are punching the tank in the face like they should.

Aoeing before the spot the tank wants to take the mobs is setup is going to result in that happening about 75% of the time.

now if they are already settled it means they aren't in the right spot when aoeing so they hit every mob. think the only time i ever lost hate was the one mob standing half a pixel and a server tick out of my aoe range too long and i had to range hit it to get it back. this happens about once every....8 runs or more to me though? no one's perfect.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Normally I'd see undergeared people in leveling dungeons. This time I saw one at a level 50 dungeon that requires item level 90, as strange as it may sound.

I queued in progress in the "level 50/60/70 Roulette" as an AST, saw an in-progress run that elasped 28 minutes. It was Wanderer's Palace Hard. It was at second boss, I asked what happened and the DRG (the only original member remaining of that party) said the rest of the party "left" at the same time.

I checked his gear and I saw all that I needed to see on why the party "left" after taking so long. His only good stuff IMO were the i115 helm (HQ), i115 body (HQ), and i100 DRG atma weapon.

The hands and legs were the i50 DRG AF1 ones. The foot was the i46 Tortoiseshell greaves. Most of his i110 slaying accessories were NQ, but the earring was the i49 blue Healing ones from Aurum Vale. As a result, he only had a little over 3000 HP.

After beating the second boss, I asked the DRG if he had better gear. He was well aware of the situation that he was undergeared, and that he had level 60 gear "waiting."

The DRK said his DPS was fine and also said it was a level 50 dungeon. I just stopped arguing at that point.

When we fought the final boss, the DRG got hit by an aoe, got targeted by the boss's Soul Douse, and got knocked out immediately because his HP hit 0 before the doom effect was even applied to him.

I was busy healing the DRK and NIN, and also cleansing doom when Soul Douse went out. So it took me a while to rez the DRG. The DRK once deliberately kept the boss in the red zone because she was complaining for me to rez the DRG because she believe that having "some" DPS is better than no DPS at all. That is indeed true, but I had a feeling that the DRG would be knocked out again if I timed the rez too soon with finite MP source and the DRG's low HP. I rezzed the DRG. Not surprisingly, the DRG got hit by a rotting lungs attack, debuff, and a Soul Douse in that order and hit 0 HP in less than 2 seconds after he got targeted. We eventually beat the last boss and the DRG once again acknowledged the fact that he was not properly geared as he should have been.

I hope for the DRG's sake that he gears up as he goes along in the HW MSQ (he's level 52). Because others may not be as forgiving as my teammates and I were. They could kick him at any time due to playstyle differences and other reasons.

[ICountFrom0]

Just had an "in progress" on MSQ, so you know what that means.

I arrive, and a mentor starts off with insults and shitposting, and admitting they are doing it on purpose. I'm always disappointed when I see a mentor that forgets they are supposed to be setting an example of exemplary behavior.

[Lammas]

Is it normal for a mch to steal hate on almost every pull? Cause thats what's happening to me randomly.

Between pulling multiple mobs or after the tank has finished the pull and everyone should be AOEing? If it's the latter then absolutely no.

If it's the former then it can happen occasionally although it should just be a single mob. If the tank is only using a single AOE hit and you blow AA on an enemy and don't switch target your autoattacks will probably rip it. I usually hit bioblaster immediately and AA while moving and it can definitely steal a mob if I don't switch targets there. If the tank is using their ranged attack to gather mobs for their AOE try picking the enemy they used their ranged on and it should never be an issue. If you're getting multiple enemies from just doing a few AOEs while running or are getting hate at the end of the pull then unfortunately those tanks are just bad.

[Syrun]

Ehhh... yes and no. So I had an E4N a couple weeks ago that I was healing and there was this one RDM that just could not wrap his brain around the fight's mechanics. Now I'm a dedicated healer and I'll heal you even when you do something stupid because it's my job to do that, but when I'm looking at the choice between raising this guy for the 4th time in 4 minutes vs healing the rest of the party.... I'm healing the rest of the party and he can take a nap. At a certain point it's just not worth the mp expenditure to keep raising someone that can't or won't figure it out. Raise is not a cheap spell and devoting all my mp to that means I'm actually NOT doing my job.

I know this is a pretty old quote but this is almost word for word an experience I had in E4N. Did you and the other healer just silently agree to never raise the RDM again?

[ReviaInfantry]

Is it normal for a mch to steal hate on almost every pull? Cause thats what's happening to me randomly.

I kind of did it every time though, also between pulls, for some reason I always able to aoe hit them until all pulled mobs will focus on me. And yes, the "gather and spank" time, tank will have it back.

Then again, I usually level MCH at MSQ and hit castrum whitebitchslapdrum and they got a marathon to run for the pulls.

[Kobalos]

My static had to kick a pug tank last night during ES1. He had no melds whatsoever and refused to put melds in his gear saying he was clearing savage 'raw'