Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Callinon]

I'd say Healers who don't Raise are worse than Healers who don't DPS. Sure, the latter is kind of annoying since the party doesn't need constant healing and a little extra damage to speed things along doesn't hurt. But the former is basically outright ignoring the major idea of being a Healer. Which is, y'know, keeping people alive.

Ehhh... yes and no. So I had an E4N a couple weeks ago that I was healing and there was this one RDM that just could not wrap his brain around the fight's mechanics. Now I'm a dedicated healer and I'll heal you even when you do something stupid because it's my job to do that, but when I'm looking at the choice between raising this guy for the 4th time in 4 minutes vs healing the rest of the party.... I'm healing the rest of the party and he can take a nap. At a certain point it's just not worth the mp expenditure to keep raising someone that can't or won't figure it out. Raise is not a cheap spell and devoting all my mp to that means I'm actually NOT doing my job.

[Wolfsbane706]

Ehhh... yes and no. So I had an E4N a couple weeks ago that I was healing and there was this one RDM that just could not wrap his brain around the fight's mechanics. Now I'm a dedicated healer and I'll heal you even when you do something stupid because it's my job to do that, but when I'm looking at the choice between raising this guy for the 4th time in 4 minutes vs healing the rest of the party.... I'm healing the rest of the party and he can take a nap. At a certain point it's just not worth the mp expenditure to keep raising someone that can't or won't figure it out. Raise is not a cheap spell and devoting all my mp to that means I'm actually NOT doing my job.

I'd say that's actually justified. What I had in mind are the healers who won't even raise you the first time you go down and instead opt for DPS spam or something like that.

[ownagepuffs]

Healers that tell the tanks 'pull big/pull everything' are 99% guaranteed to not be able to keep up with the healing and lead to a wipe.

This does not match my experience in the least. When I play tank and a healer tells me to go wild it's been like crack everytime.

I have been the DF idiot before so I dont blame people for a slip up unless it is really egregious.

However, a recent Bismarck roulette was Grade A comedy. Sync took off my tank stance and I didn't notice until like 2 minutes in. When Bismarck got chained down my co tank got a little overzealous and ended up falling off the platform before Bismarck was climb-able. Luckily I was on PLD so I could take care of myself for the 2 big adds phase but watching Samurai off tank (and do pretty well!) was something even if he needed both Healers on him.

Another one was MSQ roulette. Castrum. I had a fat finger slip up on a pull. My warrior co tank immediately picked up the slack. Nothing beats a good co tank.

[Rilifane]

Ehhh... yes and no. So I had an E4N a couple weeks ago that I was healing and there was this one RDM that just could not wrap his brain around the fight's mechanics. Now I'm a dedicated healer and I'll heal you even when you do something stupid because it's my job to do that, but when I'm looking at the choice between raising this guy for the 4th time in 4 minutes vs healing the rest of the party.... I'm healing the rest of the party and he can take a nap. At a certain point it's just not worth the mp expenditure to keep raising someone that can't or won't figure it out. Raise is not a cheap spell and devoting all my mp to that means I'm actually NOT doing my job.

I don't think that's what they were referring to but I'm definitely with you on this one.
On my first E4N clear I spent most of my time ressing because people were dying left and right. I don't mind someone dying a couple of times if they're new to this but after some time I noticed that some people barely stayed on their feet for 10sec before getting knocked off the platform again. Literally 10sec. And honestly, with the -50% debuff they're not contributing much anymore... let alone in the short time frame they're actually alive. So I focused on the ones who rarely die and seem to be doing well overall.
I'll likely do more dps with a few more glares instead of a hardcast Raise than a dps who can't stay on their feet for more than a few GCDs. I let them take a nap, watch the fight and when I have the time and resources and the group seems stable enough, I can ress them again in hopes they took their time to watch and learn.

[Nononu]

If the tank hadn't been managing their CDs properly, I would have probably said something about that. But I didn't, so that wasn't the problem.

Also, I don't know what anyone else's experience is. I can only post about mine. Glad you don't see it at all! But I do.

I also see, in my runs as ninja, a bard not AOEing.

At all. Ever.

So there's that - but I'm sure someone'll come around and say either "Well the bard not AOEing obviously has to do with the other DPS not aoeing/the tank/healer not managing their CDs" or "I've never seen a bard not AOE".

[Jybril]

-Steps up on Soap Box-
There was a Dancer who didn't dance in E3N and died 10 times.

-Steps off and walks away-

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Ehhh... yes and no. So I had an E4N a couple weeks ago that I was healing and there was this one RDM that just could not wrap his brain around the fight's mechanics. Now I'm a dedicated healer and I'll heal you even when you do something stupid because it's my job to do that, but when I'm looking at the choice between raising this guy for the 4th time in 4 minutes vs healing the rest of the party.... I'm healing the rest of the party and he can take a nap. At a certain point it's just not worth the mp expenditure to keep raising someone that can't or won't figure it out. Raise is not a cheap spell and devoting all my mp to that means I'm actually NOT doing my job.

That's understandable. The assumption I was working under was "Not Raising just out of spite or to do DPS at the expense of the party", not making a calculated choice for the party's long-term benefit.

[Cincierta]

If the tank hadn't been managing their CDs properly, I would have probably said something about that. But I didn't, so that wasn't the problem.

Also, I don't know what anyone else's experience is. I can only post about mine. Glad you don't see it at all! But I do.

I also see, in my runs as ninja, a bard not AOEing.

At all. Ever.

So there's that - but I'm sure someone'll come around and say either "Well the bard not AOEing obviously has to do with the other DPS not aoeing/the tank/healer not managing their CDs" or "I've never seen a bard not AOE".

No Quick Nock or even Rain of Death? I...I...
*screams in bard*

[Nononu]

No Quick Nock or even Rain of Death? I...I...
*screams in bard*

Neither. And I know what they look like. I never saw them -once-. It was single target the entire time, no matter how big the tank pulled. And here I am, just Doton'ing and Death Blossom'ing my dumb little Lalanin heart out.

The healer was an AST. Guess who was getting all the AST cards? Given this is the DF horror story thread, you'd probably suspect the bard not AOE-ing, but this was a smart AST, so I got them all. Made me all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Kallistra]

-Steps up on Soap Box-
There was a Dancer who didn't dance in E3N and died 10 times.

-Steps off and walks away-

It sounds like their feet hurt. Too sore to dance and too sore to move. Perhaps we should send them a chair?