do you think this Wall to Wall pulling (in roulettes)is hurting the healer population

[Vulcann]

I bring this up as a healer and a tank. I will never say I am the best player and for a matter of fact i do not do savage content because i don't need the additional stress and I do not enjoy raiding anymore (i raided in EQ1, EQ2, WoW and other games for 10+ years).

My healer i refuse to play anymore after getting to 80 (scholar) i have also seen my wife who plays a white mage refuse to heal high level dungeons and extreme roulette (she would rather play her dps)

i have had people in my former FC say they hate healing now because of tanks that just rush through dungeon, die, blame the healer and then repeat. i have seen friends say they only bring out their healers if its a friends group.

and last but not least I as a tank refuse to wall to wall pull so i usually try to pick up 2 packs at a time and that's it. And I have had a few (mind very few) where the healer would actually thank me for not pulling big.

So while i know this is a very limited spectrum and anecdotal evidence, i figured i can't be the only one that has had this experience.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

I can understand if you have bad tank experiences, but I don't know if I'd say big pulls are responsible. I'd blame a lack of communication more than anything.

[Thi]

I'd say the changes to healers kits in ShB is what lowered the healer population. Wall to wall pulls have been normal since HW.

[Jijifli]

People have been wall 2 wall pulling for forever. It's nothing new. Also...

and last but not least I as a tank refuse to wall to wall pull so i usually try to pick up 2 packs at a time and that's it.

I dunno if you haven't looked at your dungeon's for expert (or just dungeons in general past arr) but... 2 is usually the max the game lets you pull at all before you get walled.

So you said you don't wall 2 wall pull, but get 2 packs, the max before the wall...

[Hash_Browns]

Wall to wall pulls are the standard because they actually make healers need to.. well.. heal.

As it stands, in the current dungeons you can pretty much ignore tanks that are playing properly if they only pull 1 or 2 packs of mobs. Problems with wall-to-wall pulls come out only when people aren't playing their class properly.

- Healers who don't know when to use cooldown heals, or spam cooldowns overhealing.
- Tanks that don't mitigate.
- DPS that don't AOE, or have a proper rotation.

Those are the issues, not the size of the pull.

[HyoMinPark]

Wall to wall pulls already existed well before Shadowbringers. Especially in Expert dungeons, where it was always the norm.

What hurt the healer population, in my opinion, was:

—No new healer: a lot of healer mains were irritated at this. Especially since the reason given was to spend ShB balancing healers (they still aren’t balanced).
—Simplification of toolkits: removal of additional DoTs/actions and giving healers the 4.0 AST One-DoT-One-Filler treatment irritated a bunch of healer mains. I still miss Aero III on WHM.
—Overall changes to specific healers: mainly AST, but also SCH. A lot of healers didn’t like the changes to their preferred job and switched off as a result. I hate the new card system with a passion—no matter how many times I try to force myself to appreciate it, I can’t. SCHs also didn’t like the removal of Miasma, Miasma II, and Bane. WHM is easily the healer that benefited the most from ShB’s rework—especially with regards to it’s Lily system—but it, too, saw the loss of Aero III, which was good for single-target AND AOE situations.

[Jaelommiss]

I've stopped healing roulettes almost entirely for the opposite reason. Single pulls are horribly boring. I'd prefer an undergeared tank not using CDs and pulling wall to wall than any tank single pulling. I'll go back to roulettes when SE makes it engaging. I'd love it if damage from each pack was doubled. Maybe then it'll take more than a handful of oGCDs to keep the party alive.

[Rhais]

I'd say the changes to healers kits in ShB is what lowered the healer population. Wall to wall pulls have been normal since HW.

Wall to wall pulls have been normal since the beginning of ARR.

[Shori]

I'd say the changes to healers kits in ShB is what lowered the healer population. Wall to wall pulls have been normal since HW.

So much this. I am healer (SCH) but have been levelling monk and red mage alongside. Have ditched White Mage now because the changes at HW SB and ShB were just too much to keep ontop of. SCH is a bit rubbish without the AoE damage now (unless you like spamming one button over n over) but still my fave healer of the three. There has never been much for healer to do in dungeons and now its even less work
As for wall to wall pulls - PLEASE DO! Give me some kind challenge XD

[Billythepancake]

As many have stated, it's because SE decided that healers shouldn't have anything to do is why people don't want to play healer. If anything wall to walls are one of the very few saving graces of being a healer, because then you can actually do something.