Tank Damage

[Ultimatecalibur]

WAR did not get enough buffs which is why it’s dead last from being to.

No. War is slightly behind because their damage scales stupidly well with greater and greater amounts of Crit due to their auto Direct Crits. Come 5.55 War should have the highest dps even without any potency changes.

Drk only got bug for carve/bloodspliller and soul eater combo stayed the same.

Hard Slash went from 150 to 200, Syphon Slash went from 250 to 300 and Soul Eater went from 300 to 400. The damage from DA was normalized during SB: Each use of DA increased single target potency by the same amount save for CaS. All the DA potency buffs were turned into Edge of Darkness/Shadow's damage.

If you were to scale SB to ShB in tank contribution to dps we are down about 1k from what we were beforehand to the lowest dps. Keep in mind that dnc is now the lowest dps and the entire physical ranged role will be buffed in 5.1 meaning the gap is just going to widen. With no buffs tank contribution is going to drop further with a likely hood of healers passing tanks in group damage contribution. Meaning, tanks get gear last, tank interest drops further, and other roles will have to pick up the slack where tanks are lacking in.

It is not going to widen as you think it will. Tanks are getting the same amount of Strength and secondary stats from gear as Dragoon, Monk and Samurai are getting. The difference in damage comes from the differences in average potencies between the two roles. Tank should end up dealing the same relative amount of damage when compared to dps in 5.0 as they will in 5.55.

[Bravely_Default]

only reason numbers changed in stormblood is because they finally caved on putting some strength on accessories, and we still had to meld strength to get more out of it. With no sort of buff the percentage ratio is actually going to get worse for tanks because of skill speed scaling which will allow the dps potencies to come out faster.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

No. War is slightly behind because their damage scales stupidly well with greater and greater amounts of Crit due to their auto Direct Crits. Come 5.55 War should have the highest dps even without any potency changes.

No. CHR actually scales worse on WAR than the other tanks, insofar as the scaling growing at a lesser rate. Automatic critical hits mean that WAR is further ahead on the scaling curve, but it also means the scaling curve is flatter.

To put it simply, the other tanks are catching up to WAR when it comes to CHR scaling; it's not a case of WAR pulling further and further ahead. Come 5.55, WAR should be even further behind the other tanks, if nothing changes.

[BarretOblivion]

No. CHR actually scales worse on WAR than the other tanks, insofar as the scaling growing at a lesser rate. Automatic critical hits mean that WAR is further ahead on the scaling curve, but it also means the scaling curve is flatter.

To put it simply, the other tanks are catching up to WAR when it comes to CHR scaling; it's not a case of WAR pulling further and further ahead. Come 5.55, WAR should be even further behind the other tanks, if nothing changes.

OMG I think your right.... it actually makes sense what you are saying. Everyone has been saying WAR is going to get better as crit scales but I always have been thinking 'but so are all the tanks as thier crit % are going to up and their crits are going to hit as hard as WAR, plus they can meld DH while WAR doesn't.

[Kabooa]

No. CHR actually scales worse on WAR than the other tanks, insofar as the scaling growing at a lesser rate. Automatic critical hits mean that WAR is further ahead on the scaling curve, but it also means the scaling curve is flatter.

To put it simply, the other tanks are catching up to WAR when it comes to CHR scaling; it's not a case of WAR pulling further and further ahead. Come 5.55, WAR should be even further behind the other tanks, if nothing changes.

Can you link the math on this?

Every time it comes up it bothers me because at a surface level it doesn't make sense.

Auto critting means that section of your damage always gets the crit bonus. It greatly inflates the bonus you get, and a fair portion of Warriors damage is auto crit.

This effectively means a portion of Warrior's damage scales normally as the other tanks, but the other portion of it is -heavily inflated- because it automatically crits. There should be no point where other tanks approach Warrior's critical scaling, only baseline potency discrepancies that prevent it from being horribly stupid.

Edit: There should be no sane point where they approach critical scaling. We're talking like baseline 50-60% chance, and seeing as we're barely peaking into 25% this tier...

[ForteNightshade]

No. War is slightly behind because their damage scales stupidly well with greater and greater amounts of Crit due to their auto Direct Crits. Come 5.55 War should have the highest dps even without any potency changes.

Just to play devil's advocate. Lets say this is true. So Warrior finally pulls ahead literally four months before the new expansion; after all the raid tiers and Ultimate encounters are all dead. Jeez! Be still my beating heart!

Seriously. If it took that long, then it says a lot about the current state of Warrior's damage.