Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[Alklios]

Sorry, but people are allowed to kick for reasons other than the ones listed:



(Taken from this reddit thread 3 years ago)

'Different Playstyles' is not the same as having disagreements with other people and deciding to kick due to varying opinion. Please use a bit of sense.

[MeowingKittens]

What if my playstyle is "enough with the arguing and let's just get the dungeon done and over with"?

For claiming your time is precious (so is everyone else's), you felt it fine to engage in a disagreement, rather than focus on the task at hand. Typing between GCDs or not, humans are terrible multitaskers and spending time in a disagreement is still a distraction and will slow the run down. You don't see who is the one who initiated the kick anyway, how do you know it was specifically over the disagreement, and not someone who had enough of listening to it and felt the need to forcibly end it?

I can only make guesses of course, but for all points you keep trying to make about why you think the kick was unjustified according to exact words, you've yet to explain the important context of what the disagreement was even about in the first place. Because yes, that DOES matter. Were you arguing over pineapples of pizza, or something specific to the run? Differences of opinion CAN AND DO have a direct affect on other people in certain contexts.

[Yukumazi]

This topic is funny.

So let me get this straight, you did something that resulted in you being kicked. you came here to complain and demand to be compensated for being removed from the dungeon. Yet you have yet to give us any resources. logs or anything to show the context of what happen, all you keep saying is how you are wrongfully kicked and and being harassed and demand SE to give you stuff they are not entitled to give you and you compare your WoW account being hacked and GMs recovering stuff to being removed from content you can just queue up for again and complete.

You're quite the comedian aren't ya.
Also good job of you lowblow calling out the data center you are in when this can happen in any data center/server. no wonder people think Crystal is a joke or full lazy special entitled players. because threads like this.

[HyoMinPark]

There is no need to reimburse you when you can literally just queue up for the Roulette/duty again after being dismissed. You didn’t lose your reward—you just never earned it because you didn’t complete the duty. Tomes are not awarded until after the final boss of the dungeon is killed (even though the game tells you “You earn [x amount of y tomes]” mid-duty, they aren’t actually given to you until after you beat the dungeon).

If you feel like these individuals were abusing the Vote Dismiss feature, by all means, report them. But you cannot demand compensation when you can just requeue immediately afterwards and earn your tomes with a party that won’t kick you before the last boss. Yeah, it sucks that your time was wasted; I won’t deny that. But you can’t just demand free tomestones for it.

[Yukumazi]

I'm honestly convinced he was being toxic and rude in some form of way which resulted in his removal and decided to come here to be compensated for his less than 30 min or so duty roulette.

[Arcian]

For someone who so ardently insists they've been wronged, you're awfully cagey about the circumstances that led to you being kicked.
You also complained that this keeps happening to you. Between both of those points, I have to admit that I'm very skeptical that you're actually some kind of victim here.

What if my playstyle is "enough with the arguing and let's just get the dungeon done and over with"?

For claiming your time is precious (so is everyone else's), you felt it fine to engage in a disagreement, rather than focus on the task at hand. Typing between GCDs or not, humans are terrible multitaskers and spending time in a disagreement is still a distraction and will slow the run down. You don't see who is the one who initiated the kick anyway, how do you know it was specifically over the disagreement, and not someone who had enough of listening to it and felt the need to forcibly end it?

I can only make guesses of course, but for all points you keep trying to make about why you think the kick was unjustified according to exact words, you've yet to explain the important context of what the disagreement was even about in the first place. Because yes, that DOES matter. Were you arguing over pineapples of pizza, or something specific to the run? Differences of opinion CAN AND DO have a direct affect on other people in certain contexts.

This.

Your time is worth no more than anyone else's. It's certainly not more inherently valuable than the time spent by the other three people who ended up grouped with you.

[MrMagic]

Losing a week of game play and after being hacked is not the same as losing a partial reward for a single incomplete dungeon (you still get some tomes for bosses killed). Get your FFXIV account hacked for a full week and then maybe we'll talk compensation. I highly doubt GM's have an "add tomes to player" button. I'd take one look at your request and say "yeah I'm not bothering level 2 support with this". Move on.

Just go back into another dungeon after blacklisting the players. They've been punished if it was in fact kick abuse. You are not entitled to compensation for every little gripe you have with the game / other players.

[MrMagic]

Don't give tomes to vote abandons, just people who were abused and 2 minutes away from completion bonus. Wrongfully kicked.

You missed the point. Your argument is "yeah but I would have killed the boss". You can only kick players before the boss fight starts. No boss kill = no tomes owed.

[JowyAtreides]

Carrying discussion isn't difficult for me for 2.5 second globals where just left clicking carries you from chat to gameplay immediately, 4 words a global. Can you provide for me an example of exploitation here to further debate? If reimbursement were a thing.

So therefore, you were distracting other players during combat?

Example of exploiting if reimbursement becomes a thing would be a group of 5 friends all want to do the roulette, 4 of them go in, 1 gets kicked (and gets reimbursed) and the 5th jumps in and gets the final reward.

Seeing as your only focus is on the reward for the victim and not the punishment of the culprit, this is what I can see some people trying to do.

Don't give tomes to vote abandons, just people who were abused and 2 minutes away from completion bonus. Wrongfully kicked.

You spend half hour in a dungeon but can do the final boss in 2? Okay yes, being cynical here but your entire thread screams of it.

There was once a thread a few months ago where a player felt forced out of a free company claiming to be a victim, it took a few pages but eventually the master of the free company saw the thread and gave their side of the story and essentially called the OP out on their bullshit. Forgive us for thinking this is just another one of them threads

[XiXiQ]

Example of exploiting if reimbursement becomes a thing would be a group of 5 friends all want to do the roulette, 4 of them go in, 1 gets kicked (and gets reimbursed) and the 5th jumps in and gets the final reward.

I'm sure the GMs would see straight through this ruse. What happens now is 3 go in (one's busy doing something else) then just before last boss they toss the odd man out and their other friend jons for the final 2 minutes and gets the rewards, the kicked one just wasted 20 minutes. The GMs should come down on that like a ton of bricks.


Maybe it's just the JP DC, but I see so little bad behaviour it's just not worth worrying about the one-in-6-months dingbat.