Reimbursement for Lost Tomes due to Wrongful use of Kick

[Mavrias]

https://imgur.com/a/KtzwUWV

This image disagrees with you. Disagreement does not equal harassment. The GMs will say blacklist.

What makes a wrongful kick is a wrongful kick. 'Disagreeing with healer' is not an option here.

I advise against soliciting people to break rules by wrongfully informing them that there can be any reason outside of these for a justifiable kick.

Likewise, please do not derail this thread into being about me seeming to want to earn anyone to my side. Refer to quote: "My suggestion is that after a thorough investigation of a wrongful use of vote-kick in a dungeon, the player accosted should receive a full reimbursement of the tomes and currency (additionally adventurer in need, if applicable) denied."

GM decides fault, and if in favor of the victim, they should receive rewards.

Not all disagreements are harassment but some are.

GMs have said multiple times that there are reasons to kick beyond those listed that are still valid. A tank thats just dpsing in a dungeon but not actually holding threat or a party member wearing level 30 gear in a level 80 dungeon are both valid reasons to kick for example.

You can advise whatever you like, homie. Just like i can advise you that if youre getting kicked its likely not for no reason. You mentioned its not the first time its happened to you so if i were you i'd examine my own behavior thoroughly.

[Alklios]

Not all disagreements are harassment but some are.

GMs have said multiple times that there are reasons to kick beyond those listed that are still valid. A tank thats just dpsing in a dungeon but not actually holding threat or a party member wearing level 30 gear in a level 80 dungeon are both valid reasons to kick for example.

You can advise whatever you like, homie. Just like i can advise you that if youre getting kicked its likely not for no reason. You mentioned its not the first time its happened to you so if i were you i'd examine my own behavior thoroughly.

A wrongful kick is a wrongful kick whether it happens 1, 10 or 100 times.
It doesn't take much review to know that disagreements on BiS falls under none of the criteria existing for vote kicks.
Also do not believe that having an offending glamour is viable either.

But I'll just restate it again: I believe victims of wrongful kicks should be reimbursed for the in game rewards they were denied.

[Mavrias]

A wrongful kick is a wrongful kick whether it happens 1, 10 or 100 times.
It doesn't take much review to know that disagreements on BiS falls under none of the criteria existing for vote kicks.
Also do not believe that having an offending glamour is viable either.

But I'll just restate it again: I believe victims of wrongful kicks should be reimbursed for the in game rewards they were denied.

If you meet a bad egg in the morning, you met a bad egg that morning. If you meet 100 bad eggs over the course of the day, you might be the bad egg.

[Arazehl]

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I got kicked again wrongfully

You must be doing something to have used the word "again".

Just run the roulette again. Dev's don't have time to reimburse you a 1,000 gil and 50 tomes. There is way more important issues for them to attend to.

There is a big difference in being hacked over not getting a petty dungeon reward because you were kicked "again". Maybe WoW can fix you up, why not go see them about it.

[Alklios]

You must be doing something to have used the word "again".

Just run the roulette again. Dev's don't have time to reimburse you a 1,000 gil and 50 tomes. There is way more important issues for them to attend to.

There is a big difference in being hacked over not getting a petty dungeon reward because you were kicked "again". Maybe WoW can fix you up, why not go see them about it.

Devs granting authority to GMs to make decisions on reimbursing tomes is the goal of my post here, as I was encouraged by GM's to make this suggestion.

The important issue is that hundreds if not thousands of people daily other than I are suffering this, a rampant problem and this could help alleviate that.

Obviously the suggestion of WoW is to show one company's example of reimbursing a player for abuse suffered.

I also disagree that a loss of half hour of my time is 'petty'. It wouldn't take anymore effort to decide to reimburse these tomes than it does to investigate the abuse and take action against the player.

[JowyAtreides]

I mean, it's right in your screenshot.

"Unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act"

There is nothing for you to be reimbursed with. You didn't complete the dungeon, you didn't get the tomes and have them taken away from you (unlike your WoW example wherein you HAD the items only to have them taken away, hence reimbursement).

Allowing people to claim rewards for content they didn't finish (for whatever reasons) won't stop the problem and in fact, our community will just find a way to exploit it in order to gain undeserved rewards. The only solution to this "problem" is to stop it from happening and getting those who abuse the feature, punished.

That being said, I've never seen this happen in the 5/6 years of playing this game, but I also don't get involved in nonsensical discussions and actually focus on the job at hand rather than spending 30 minutes in a dungeon prior to getting to a final boss.

[Alklios]

I mean, it's right in your screenshot.

"Unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act"

There is nothing for you to be reimbursed with. You didn't complete the dungeon, you didn't get the tomes and have them taken away from you (unlike your WoW example wherein you HAD the items only to have them taken away, hence reimbursement).

Allowing people to claim rewards for content they didn't finish (for whatever reasons) won't stop the problem and in fact, our community will just find a way to exploit it in order to gain undeserved rewards. The only solution to this "problem" is to stop it from happening and getting those who abuse the feature, punished.

That being said, I've never seen this happen in the 5/6 years of playing this game, but I also don't get involved in nonsensical discussions and actually focus on the job at hand rather than spending 30 minutes in a dungeon prior to getting to a final boss.

WoW example I was reimbursed for the conquest I had missed out on, the minimum at least, which helped to keep up my gear progression. If you missed a piece of arena gear in the progression ladder, you were significantly disadvantaged (cataclysm).

The problem here is that I -did- finish the first two bosses which give Phanta/Goetia tomes ONLY if you complete the dungeon. if you're kicked they're forfeit (my character current is at 0/450 phanta). Not only did they deny me completion bonus but literally pilfered the tomes I had earned to that point.

Carrying discussion isn't difficult for me for 2.5 second globals where just left clicking carries you from chat to gameplay immediately, 4 words a global. Can you provide for me an example of exploitation here to further debate? If reimbursement were a thing.

[MrMagic]

But I'll just restate it again: I believe victims of wrongful kicks should be reimbursed for the in game rewards they were denied.

You get that vote abandon is a thing right? You didn't earn the reward so there is nothing to "reimburse". As unlikely as it is to have to abandon the dungeon at that stage, it's just as unlikely that this happens frequently to you. If it does, well...

[worldofneil]

Sorry, but people are allowed to kick for reasons other than the ones listed:



(Taken from this reddit thread 3 years ago)

[Alklios]

You get that vote abandon is a thing right? You didn't earn the reward so there is nothing to "reimburse". As unlikely as it is to have to abandon the dungeon at that stage, it's just as unlikely that this happens frequently to you. If it does, well...

Don't give tomes to vote abandons, just people who were abused and 2 minutes away from completion bonus. Wrongfully kicked.