Why is RDM invisible right now? Where is the outrage?

[MaraD_]

In order to justify RDMs lower DPS, and lower than SMN, you need 4+ deaths within the same minute.
4 deaths... let that sink in.
1st death, healer#1 gets.
2nd, by 2nd healer.
3rd, you or SMN can get.
4th, no healer or SMN can get this one.

The tax on DPS is far too high for being able to raise the 4th+ person.
Chances are, the run is either lost. (savage) or the run is saved, when you can just faceroll it in a normal group.
Can a group be really good, and save a run from more than 4 deaths in a minute? yes, but for them to be that skilled, chances are, they wont have that happen again, its too unlikely for players that skilled to run into that problem.

[Zerathor]

In order to justify RDMs lower DPS, and lower than SMN, you need 4+ deaths within the same minute.
4 deaths... let that sink in.
1st death, healer#1 gets.
2nd, by 2nd healer.
3rd, you or SMN can get.
4th, no healer or SMN can get this one.

The tax on DPS is far too high for being able to raise the 4th+ person.
Chances are, the run is either lost. (savage) or the run is saved, when you can just faceroll it in a normal group.
Can a group be really good, and save a run from more than 4 deaths in a minute? yes, but for them to be that skilled, chances are, they wont have that happen again, its too unlikely for players that skilled to run into that problem.

To be fair, there's still the game outside of savage. You can force 7 other literal chimps to clear normal raids. Also when the new PoD comes, rdm is the only job that will do the competitive solo runs on the scoreboard.

[wereotter]

To be fair, there's still the game outside of savage. You can force 7 other literal chimps to clear normal raids. Also when the new PoD comes, rdm is the only job that will do the competitive solo runs on the scoreboard.

And how does new deep dungeon apply to solo runs when you can't verraise yourself?

Red mages can do it because of Vercure, and that’s literally the only times it’s a relevant skill for it’s heal effect. Any other cast is to trigger dual case when you have no target.

[AikenDrum]

however the rez sickness is a factor, as they're receiving it regardless. But 2-4 quick raises through a fight could add up to 1.3k pretty fast depending on what healers are doing, and the condition of their swift, or how close those deaths were together. It shouldn't come to that, but in prog? It's likely to happen. Even still for new groups learning the fight or inexperienced healers, having somebody else to soak the raise costs makes things a lot smoother. Having that raise so readily available will just let you brute force through a party failing mechanics to see the fight fully, and then clear it in less pulls.

The problem with prog job - is that its dps (apart from e1 adds) is irrelevant, 0 dps raise+mechanics only rdm is as helpful to brute forcing party to see all mechanics as a 99% one, there's no incentive to learning to play it further than binding jolt to 1 and raise to 2 and then switching to a normal job for actual clear.

[Jkap_Goat]

Taking away raise wouldn't strip RDM of it's identity
Yeah its a common spell RDM had in past games but so was Protect for WHM

They are not gonna take it away in ShB RDM will most likely only get pot buff and we gotta deal with storm blood rdm with verscathe and Scorch for two more years

We should strip Vercure too! And dualcast as well , red mage doesn't need those and it won't take it's identity away

[Duskane]

We should strip Vercure too! And dualcast as well , red mage doesn't need those and it won't take it's identity away

whats even the purpose of this comment? are you mad that Raise doesn't mean anything to RDM?

[Sequora]

Red mage is the training wheels for raiding. They're useful for learning the fights, but once the raid group has got the mechanics mostly down and are ready to push for kills it's better to have a black mage. It's probably not fair to heavily penalize red mage for that since it's basically just there for learning fights.

But red mage isn't significantly behind summoner as things currently are. It's just that the top half of DPS is way above the bottom half. Though I believe the life letter promised to adjust that, so may be better come end of October.

There shouldn’t be jobs like that. No other role has a job that’s good for only progression.

[Duskane]

There shouldn’t be jobs like that. No other role has a job that’s good for only progression.

well some people also thought this with WHM
but it doesn't make it any less of a meme title

"Prog job" is like a joke people have taken too seriously

[Zerathor]

And how does new deep dungeon apply to solo runs when you can't verraise yourself?

Red mages can do it because of Vercure, and that’s literally the only times it’s a relevant skill for it’s heal effect. Any other cast is to trigger dual case when you have no target.

More has to do with being a hybrid in general. But also to point out that the job has areas of strength that it demolishes other jobs on.

[Maero]

More has to do with being a hybrid in general. But also to point out that the job has areas of strength that it demolishes other jobs on.

Sure maybe normal duties.. but while it is not completely non relavant jobs should be balanced from the harder content and not from just running potd or regular duties. (not implying you btw)
Harder content is where the picture becomes very clear just how weak RM currently is