Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Sei_Konsetsu]

It should have been one or the other, perhaps at this point, the Ronso later in a different expansion.
Viera themselves have more presence in this game than the Ronso and with Fran's appearance in 4.0...
Coulda had both genders now and work on the other later.
I mean, who do we have? Runar, that GNB guy and that one dude you see like twice in MSQ in the Cryst.
They aren't very fleshed out at all. They don't even coincide with the Viera lol.
I literally don't know jack squat about that race at all LOL. Unless I'm missing something...
Viera have their whole own area...

But the one thing we all know about Viera, is that the males are never seen. That’s been in the lore and even brought over into this game, and even in that Viera area, there isn’t any male viera present… so your point?

-Sigh- I get really sick of these posts...... -____________-
Male Miqote in this game are suppose to be a rare sight, yet like half the playerbase are them.
They said Male Viera were also a rare sight.

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki...al_Fantasy_XIV

Also this isn't FF12 so there's that.

Its still lore brought over from a different game into this game. Reguardless if you hate that or not, this was the reason they didn’t include male viera, and to be frank, the rest of the world seems to be ok with this. While I am ok with the idea of Male viera being added, and have nothing against it, when viera was announced, I didn’t expect to see male viera due to lore from ff12.

[Lauront]

Nope, they gave the actual reason and that was resource restrictions.

The "rest of the world" besides those playing Hrothgar or Viera females was okay with neither being added. Yet they were added and many clamoured for them to be added.

Lore from XII emphatically does NOT prevent them from existing in XIV and Matsuno even went on record stating it was not his decision to see them excluded. In fact, he seems quite enthusiastic about the idea of seeing them realised in a game.

[Sei_Konsetsu]

What's the First got to do with anything? The Source is still there. Besides, there are male Viera in the Ivalice games. They are not sighted, which is a different thing.



You say it's unique enough. I don't think it is.

Whatever. You're not really going to convince me and their low % of active characters is all the proof I require that they're far from "necessary". Unique =/= good.

If you're just here to gripe about male Viera, I suggest you save your breath. It's not going to deter me or anyone else from asking for them to be added.

I never once said I was trying to deter anyone, so try and not take anything I am saying as some sort of attack. And while you can sit here and say that "Low Numbers" and what ever you wish is reason they shouldn't have been added, you cannot deny the fact that they are indeed very different from Roe. Try to refrain from this salty outlook you have and simply pay attention. While I am at it, if your argument is that they look so much like Roe, then what would male viera bring thats different? Its just another humanoid male with ears, nothing is diffrent from say a male miqote or even a male au ra. You may not like Hrothgar, but there are just enough people that enjoy them and what they bring, and even people who don't play the race have pointed out that hey are diffrent enough to be warented being added in the game. You cannot simply look at numbers of people who play it and say "Yep, that shouldn't be here". I don't play female Roe, but I really like their look and if I ever made a female character, I probably would pick that, does the low number of female roe players mean that shouldn't have been in the game as well? While on that, what makes you think male viera would get more players than male hrothgar? You would see a surge for a few weeks then it would "canabilize" the male miqote numbers.

I get you want male viera, and hey, thats cool man, but don't throw shade just because its something you personally wouldn't play. As I stated from the start, I get why people want male viera, and more power to ya if they get added, but to me, they just would be another human with ears. One of the reason I switched from male miqote to Hrothgar was because I wanted to play a beast/animal race that was a bit larger.

[Senn]

I could be wrong, but the whole "male viera having a low birth rate" thing is uniquely a FFXIV thing, isn't it? I don't recall that being the case in FFXII. The men have their own village.

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I'm happy for the players who wanted a more beast-like race. I personally liked seeing hrothgar added too, and I think it brings a lot of diversity and a good "world feel" if you get what I mean. It's just a pity their hairstyles are locked to the faces, but the devs are going to address this apparently.

[Sei_Konsetsu]

Nope, they gave the actual reason and that was resource restrictions.

The "rest of the world" besides those playing Hrothgar or Viera females was okay with neither being added. Yet they were added and many clamoured for them to be added.

Lore from XII emphatically does NOT prevent them from existing in XIV and Matsuno even went on record stating it was not his decision to see them excluded. In fact, he seems quite enthusiastic about the idea of seeing them realised in a game.

Man dude, I know that lore isn't the reason they weren't added, but that doesn't change that some people, like myself, who saw Viera being added just automatically just assumed that it would only be female.

[Lauront]

I never once said I was trying to deter anyone, so try and not take anything I am saying as some sort of attack. And while you can sit here and say that "Low Numbers" and what ever you wish is reason they shouldn't have been added, you cannot deny the fact that they are indeed very different from Roe. Try to refrain from this salty outlook you have and simply pay attention. While I am at it, if your argument is that they look so much like Roe, then what would male viera bring thats different? Its just another humanoid male with ears, nothing is diffrent from say a male miqote or even a male au ra. You may not like Hrothgar, but there are just enough people that enjoy them and what they bring, and even people who don't play the race have pointed out that hey are diffrent enough to be warented being added in the game. You cannot simply look at numbers of people who play it and say "Yep, that shouldn't be here". I don't play female Roe, but I really like their look and if I ever made a female character, I probably would pick that, does the low number of female roe players mean that shouldn't have been in the game as well? While on that, what makes you think male viera would get more players than male hrothgar? You would see a surge for a few weeks then it would "canabilize" the male miqote numbers.

I get you want male viera, and hey, thats cool man, but don't throw shade just because its something you personally wouldn't play. As I stated from the start, I get why people want male viera, and more power to ya if they get added, but to me, they just would be another human with ears. One of the reason I switched from male miqote to Hrothgar was because I wanted to play a beast/animal race that was a bit larger.

Right, and to me Hrothgar are just Roegadyn with cat heads. Nothing unique there.

I am perfectly vindicated at looking at the numbers if people try to make claims about whether a race is a necessity or not. Even if all male Viera did was get male Miqo'te to swap to them, that alone is a much larger portion of the playerbase than the pittance who play male Roegadyn. My point is that SE, if they were hoping to captivate WoW refugees, has little to show for it as yet, because the deterrent to them playing this game really wasn't a very specific type of beast race body type being absent from it.

% of active chars played is a separate question to whether the race should be added but it certainly detracts from any claims premised on that ground as it ties in directly with the marginal profitability of the race, which tbh is the only metric by which one can claim if something is "needed" or not. Nice to haves =/= necessities and "unique" =/= value-additive in and of itself.

Man dude, I know that lore isn't the reason they weren't added, but that doesn't change that some people, like myself, who saw Viera being added just automatically just assumed that it would only be female.

The one thing a lot of people forget is that SE had in fact released artwork of how male Viera might be designed in their 2014 FATE slide. That, plus the fact that they do exist in XII, it's just that they were not seen, gave the impression that both would feature and many were excited to see how they would feature.

I only suspected they'd do something dumb like gender-locking it when the leaks regarding Hrothgar surfaced.

[Vahlnir]

Right, and to me Hrothgar are just Roegadyn with cat heads. Nothing unique there.

I am perfectly vindicated at looking at the numbers if people try to make claims about whether a race is a necessity or not. Even if all male Viera did was get male Miqo'te to swap to them, that alone is a much larger portion of the playerbase than the pittance who play male Roegadyn. My point is that SE, if they were hoping to captivate WoW refugees, has little to show for it as yet, because the deterrent to them playing this game really wasn't a very specific type of beast race body type being absent from it.

% of active chars played is a separate question to whether the race should be added but it certainly detracts from any claims premised on that ground as it ties in directly with the marginal profitability of the race, which tbh is the only metric by which one can claim if something is "needed" or not. Nice to haves =/= necessities and "unique" =/= value-additive in and of itself.

As far as attracting WoW refugees go, I don't think they were aiming to do so through playable races. People wanted an actual quality product to play and as things currently stand, WoW is not that. In that respect I think Yoshi P and SE have stepped up their game with Shadowbringers. It is off to an excellent start.

Regardless of how many you claim play certain races, SE apparently saw the benefit of adding Hrothgar. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts. There was clearly a large enough demand for it, and as a result reasonable profit to be had. If it was to no one's gain they wouldn't have bothered. Like them or hate them, they are here. And you don't seem to like them but that is okay.

[Sei_Konsetsu]

Right, and to me Hrothgar are just Roegadyn with cat heads. Nothing unique there.

I am perfectly vindicated at looking at the numbers if people try to make claims about whether a race is a necessity or not. Even if all male Viera did was get male Miqo'te to swap to them, that alone is a much larger portion of the playerbase than the pittance who play male Roegadyn. My point is that SE, if they were hoping to captivate WoW refugees, has little to show for it as yet, because the deterrent to them playing this game really wasn't a very specific type of beast race body type being absent from it.

% of active chars played is a separate question to whether the race should be added but it certainly detracts from any claims premised on that ground as it ties in directly with the marginal profitability of the race, which tbh is the only metric by which one can claim if something is "needed" or not. Nice to haves =/= necessities and "unique" =/= value-additive in and of itself.

Whoo man. So by your logic, those races that have low numbers should just be removed? I’m honestly not sure what you want. Long story short, people wanted a beasty like race way before Viera was announced, and have been actively asking for it for a good while now. Did Hrothgar do it justice? No, not really, but it was in the direction of what people wanted. You can argue your numbers issue all you wish friend, but the fact is, SE felt it was warranted enough to add Hrothgar over male viera, so you should get over you bias aginst them just because you don’t like them. Sure, not a large number of people are playing them, but the fact is people are playing them. If they ever add male viera, I guess we will see how your numbers hold up in this argument, but until then, please stop with the salt.

I'm happy for the players who wanted a more beast-like race. I personally liked seeing hrothgar added too, and I think it brings a lot of diversity and a good "world feel" if you get what I mean. It's just a pity their hairstyles are locked to the faces, but the devs are going to address this apparently.

Yeah, that does suck, really hope they address that or something later, if its even possible, but for now, I honestly just wish I had access to the hairs that are paid/earned in game. REALLY missing the “Snow” bandanna hair style.

[Lauront]

As far as attracting WoW refugees go, I don't think they were aiming to do so through playable races. People wanted an actual quality product to play and as things currently stand, WoW is not that. In that respect I think Yoshi P and SE have stepped up their game with Shadowbringers. It is off to an excellent start.

Regardless of how many you claim play certain races, SE apparently saw the benefit of adding Hrothgar. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts. There was clearly a large enough demand for it, and as a result reasonable profit to be had. If it was to no one's gain they wouldn't have bothered. Like them or hate them, they are here. And you don't seem to like them but that is okay.

It was predicated on expected profitability, which is what any profit-seeking enterprise has to operate on due to uncertainty. They themselves admitted they took a risk in that regard. However, attracting WoW refugees is one way to do that and that is what many people thought they were doing in adding Hrothgar, based on rather shallow analysis of WoW's player demographics. I happen to agree that it's not really fit for that purpose, but for as many people who see WoW as a poor quality product, just as many see FF in a similar light due to the ARR leveling experience and also what they perceive to be the lack of any end-game content in comparison to WoW plus a very vertical gear progression ladder.

My "claims" are based on what the census figures show. No more, no less. We're still waiting to see how they've settled following ShB.

Whoo man. So by your logic, those races that have low numbers should just be removed? I’m honestly not sure what you want. Long story short, people wanted a beasty like race way before Viera was announced, and have been actively asking for it for a good while now. Did Hrothgar do it justice? No, not really, but it was in the direction of what people wanted. You can argue your numbers issue all you wish friend, but the fact is, SE felt it was warranted enough to add Hrothgar over male viera, so you should get over you bias aginst them just because you don’t like them. Sure, not a large number of people are playing them, but the fact is people are playing them. If they ever add male viera, I guess we will see how your numbers hold up in this argument, but until then, please stop with the salt.

No, by my logic if you are going to claim it is a necessity, that is the only metric by which you can really demonstrate it in terms that add to the game's value. Qualitative terms like "diversity" etc. mean little if in the end they don't translate into the primary metric by which the company gauges how well the game is doing.

As I explicitly said it is not the only criterion based on whether a race should be added - for that they simply need for it to be profitable on net and probably the threshold for that is not too great a hurdle to overcome. However, the extent to which it is profitable is a better way of seeing just how much demand it is sating. They're two different things.

Viera have been desired since the game was released as per the polling conducted by SE itself.

At any rate, it's not that I have a bias against Hrothgar - it's more that your rather baseless arguments for not adding male Viera can be turned against Hrothgar, too. Of course you construe this as "salt".

[Vahlnir]

It was predicated on expected profitability, which is what any profit-seeking enterprise has to operate on due to uncertainty. They themselves admitted they took a risk in that regard. However, attracting WoW refugees is one way to do that and that is what many people thought they were doing in adding Hrothgar, based on rather shallow analysis of WoW's player demographics. I happen to agree that it's not really fit for that purpose, but for as many people who see WoW as a poor quality product, just as many see FF in a similar light due to the ARR leveling experience and also what they perceive to be the lack of any end-game content in comparison to WoW plus a very vertical gear progression ladder.

My "claims" are based on what the census figures show. No more, no less. We're still waiting to see how they've settled following ShB.

Personally, I want to see your figures. Got any links to share?