Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

[Granyala]

I just type what they’re supposed to do

This.
I present the data in a take it or leave it fashion.

Though I have to be honest here: it's very rare that I encounter a random that makes such critical whopper of mistakes as the OP describes.
Most of the time I'm too busy playing my own role in order to notice anyway.

There was a WHM in my lvl 79 dungeon, who kept using the LB as soon as the bar filled, even if everyone was at full health. I said "I don't want to be that guy, but the LB in dungeons is usually reserved for Dps " but I got no response (despite him talking earlier in the dungeon) and he kept doing it. He uses healer LB at one bar again a few more times with everyone at full HP, and since I was starting to get a little annoyed, I asked them "So, uh, is there any point in using healer LB when everyone is at full health?" still no response. Might not be the most tactful way of wording it though,but I assume it sounds better than "Stop wasting the LB, healer."

I wouldn't usually say anything, but this was a lvl 79 dungeon, and he's gonna get a lot of hate later from others if he keeps using healer LB as soon as the bar fills.

Haha.. people still care about that dumb limit in dungeons?
Unless you AoE trashpacks, I'm pretty sure it's a DPS loss anyway. 1 bar LB is so useless and stuff should die fast enough for there to be no 2 bar available.

[Vahlnir]

Haha.. people still care about that dumb limit in dungeons?
Unless you AoE trashpacks, I'm pretty sure it's a DPS loss anyway. 1 bar LB is so useless and stuff should die fast enough for there to be no 2 bar available.

An LB 1 used by a dps is useful because it actually does something. A small something, perhaps, but still something. A healer using it just because when everyone is at full health is just pointless. The amount of times I've seen anything like that since ARR launch could probably be counted on one hand so it's largely a non-issue. Most of what I've seen, however, are genuine mistakes. Some people simply hit the LB on accident. To me that's a whole other thing entirely. I've done it myself with the tank one. All I can do is apologize, shrug it off and move on. I can see where they were coming from though, but that person described in their post sounded as if they may have been trolling with the healer LB.

[NessaWyvern]

This.
I present the data in a take it or leave it fashion.

Though I have to be honest here: it's very rare that I encounter a random that makes such critical whopper of mistakes as the OP describes.
Most of the time I'm too busy playing my own role in order to notice anyway.



Haha.. people still care about that dumb limit in dungeons?
Unless you AoE trashpacks, I'm pretty sure it's a DPS loss anyway. 1 bar LB is so useless and stuff should die fast enough for there to be no 2 bar available.

I went in as BLM, and I would have loved to have used it on trash packs, sadly they could hit the LB faster than I could. Also, this player was at lvl 79, so they'll be moving onto endgame soon. Will people laugh at it the same way when healer LB is used at one bar with everyone at full in EX or Savage? I don't think they will.
I was hoping that if they werent doing it just to troll, that they would learn before they get server blacklisted.

[Fynlar]

IMO they should just take healer/tank LB1s and 2s out of the game so it isn't possible for them to waste the LB on those. Won't happen, but I can dream~

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Depends.
- If they just have some 'minor difference in playstyle' but we still get it done without wiping like it's taco night, I may just ignore it as I don't pay their sub.
- If they are struggling with mechanics and stuff, I sometimes ask if they need help or just point out what needs to be done/what shouldn't be done.
- If I'm on DNC and my DPS-partner sucks, I use my passive-aggressive "may I ask for this dance?"-macro to chose another dance partner, announcing the change in chat so they may or may not understand that they suck (if they are new and trying their best but are still outnumbered by the tank or healer, I just make the switch silently without calling them out)
- If they have 'heavy difference in playstyle' and we are wiping like they are some bad burrito giving us diarrhea, I may initiate a kick vote. But that's actually very rare and usually I get along just fine with my mates until the end of the dungeon. Sometimes silently mubling and sighting and I may write a story about it in the 'tales'-thread, but I'm powering through anyway with a stoic face and heavy tolerance. Because, y'know, people: You may hate them but you still have to deal with them.

Bonus round:
- If I'm the one who suck, I may excuse myself telling them it's just not my day. It happens and if it happens I just hope they are just powering through anyway with the same tolerance for bad plays on bad days.

Bottom line is: I am usually nice, I try not to forget my manners as I greet and say "good game" at the end, even if it wasn't anything near good at all. I don't like drama and I'm willing to help. If you have questions, I will answer it for you. I also know my own flaws and own up to my mistakes. When I'm having a bad day or if you encountered me ill-tempered and crancy, I will apologies for it.
But I also like to get shit done. If it's possible to do it with you, I will try anything I can. I won't let you down if you try your best. Sometimes silently, sometimes I will speak up. But if I realize that my efforts are not appreciated I will also stop caring and if you want a carry you better look elsewhere. And if you forgot your jobstone at a level 40+ dungeon, you can also forget to finish this dungeon with me.

[SenorPatty]

Keep it short and simple. Isolate what is actually detrimental to the task at hand. If it's a particular mech, explain that. If it's lack of a class' major toolkit, explain that. People who want to give essay length advice often forget that they're actually not the right environment to teach it. There's no point going over a lvl 70 rotation with a lvl 30 player when you're smack dab in Qarn. If the way they're playing is not detrimental but could use some work, ask them if they want to hear what you have to say at the end of a dgn. Chances are the other party members will have left and it'll just be a one on one where you're free to give the lesson.


But really, I really want to stress this out: Keep it short and simple to the task and environment at hand. If they want more, friend up after the duty and then you can start your curriculum.

[Skogli]

You're never gonna see them again after the run is done. Just mind your own and you can go your separate ways.

If this was serious progression I'd get it, but if things are getting done then I think it's just petty.

[Granyala]

An LB 1 used by a dps is useful because it actually does something. A small something, perhaps, but still something.

Sure, but honestly: in a dungeon is't not worth getting worked up about it.
Advise the player (though most will start to intentionally work against you after that just because they can do it to spite you) and then move on.

Imho they could patch out the LB 1 and 2 altogether, usually I tease our DPS in TS with "Did you miss again? I didn't see the HP bar move" because the damage of these 2 is so ... well.. lets call it "anticlimactic".

Also LOL at server blacklisting over LB trolling in a dungeon.... these people need to get a grip on reality.

[Lacan]

"Hey loser, my grandma does better dps than you"

[PyurBlue]

You're never gonna see them again after the run is done. Just mind your own and you can go your separate ways.

If this was serious progression I'd get it, but if things are getting done then I think it's just petty.

I don't really care what happens in my runs. I could be carrying the rest of the party, it doesn't matter to me. There are some players who would like to improve though and that's why giving out advice can be helpful. Staying silent isn't always the right option, but I understand that it's hard to judge who is going to be receptive or not.