Private houses Twintania and spriggan

[Rasikko]

FCs benefit more from housing than individuals. Also private housing holds your subscription hostage.. you cant go away longer than 45 days. I understand the sentimental value of it though, I owned one myself. Besides that, you dont gain anything.

[Malephyka]

FCs benefit more from housing than individuals. Also private housing holds your subscription hostage.. you cant go away longer than 45 days. I understand the sentimental value of it though, I owned one myself. Besides that, you dont gain anything.

you also have no idea anything, I think less than the other, the housing IS MORE IMPORTANTE FOR ALL, NOT ONLY FC, PLEASE, DON'T TELL ME HISTORIES OF SCIENCE FICTION FILMS.

[JowyAtreides]

the housing IS MORE IMPORTANTE FOR ALL, NOT ONLY FC

No, it's not. Personal housing doesn't give access to grade 3 buffs, it also doesn't give access to workshops. It also restricts all elements of (limited) housing to a maximum of 4 players per house.

FC housing gives all of the above and opens the potential access to 500 members per FC (depending on FC size and rank hierarchy obviously).

Imagine for 1 second, that we get into a situation where individuals own every single house and no FC gets one, no FC will have grade 3 buffs, there would be no special housing walls such as Odder Otter or Shirogane Castles, there would be no access to mounts, minions and music obtained by Submersible and Airship expeditions and housing would be less accessible to an individual than it is right now. Yes of course this is hypothetical but you have to imagine worst case scenario.

Yes of course there are shell FC's that take the complete piss, I will never dispute this, but it is literally the last housing loophole there is in order to make a quick buck (or to selfishly hold houses hostage) and I believe there should be stricter requirements for FC's buying houses but I couldn't possibly suggest a workable solution that suits the majority.

I'd also like to point out, being a complete obnoxious and petulant manbaby, will not yield the result you are after

To answer the OP, I'd expect personal housing to be available at 5.1.

[Malephyka]

I repeat again, I don't give a shit about the bufos that FC's have, they have had time, more than enough, to acquire the house.
And if you do not suggest a solution to impose restrictions on purchases of FC houses, do not bother to post (you keep showing me that you waste your time on things you have no idea).
PD: it would be a shame for the management of SE to open the private house on 5.1
regards

[LadyBaelcrest]

And if you do not suggest a solution to impose restrictions on purchases of FC houses, do not bother to post (you keep showing me that you waste your time on things you have no idea).

*Sigh* This kind of mentality and just coming in here and yelling and screaming will just invite more ire all around. I admit that a bum deal has been served to you guys but there's not much ya can do eh?
Next question is *why* do you *need* a house.
And if it's so bloody important to your needs and have to have it right this minute go make a mini FC, buy it and treat it like your house...

[ShadowAmate]

Jowy, you really expect private housing 5.1? I think that doesn't makes any sense, think on that. Now FC are buying houses, and I don't care if it's for resselling or for they own, my point here is. Why they have all the right of having the best plots of the server? WHY? Is that a right wich cames with a FC? Because I'm paying the same (at month) as a guy wich a FC house. Why he can has the best plot? And I must be seeing how plots dissapear in my face and I can't do ANYTHING, I'LL REPEAT ANYTHING. There's just 1 possible solution, buying it to a a resseler for 100 million gil? Does it really makes sense? NO. The point is they don't have the right to do this, at least in my opinion there just be a period of 1 week AT LEAST, BUT NO MORE for the chance of a FC to buy a house.

[Vidu]

Jowy, you really expect private housing 5.1? I think that doesn't makes any sense, think on that. Now FC are buying houses, and I don't care if it's for resselling or for they own, my point here is. Why they have all the right of having the best plots of the server? WHY? Is that a right wich cames with a FC? Because I'm paying the same (at month) as a guy wich a FC house. Why he can has the best plot? And I must be seeing how plots dissapear in my face and I can't do ANYTHING, I'LL REPEAT ANYTHING. There's just 1 possible solution, buying it to a a resseler for 100 million gil? Does it really makes sense? NO. The point is they don't have the right to do this, at least in my opinion there just be a period of 1 week AT LEAST, BUT NO MORE for the chance of a FC to buy a house.

...you gotta love the people complaining about housing in this game... posts like these really make me wonder if instances housing would be accepted after all if we're going from "I cant get a house at all, because there are non on my server" to "I cant get excatly the spot I want because FCs have priority!"

Here are a few points to think about in regards to why FCs have priority:
1) Housing was originally meant for FCs
2) An FC-house - in theory - benefits many people, a personal one doesnt
3) Certain FC-functions are locked behind owning a house

[ShadowAmate]

Let's see Vidu... It's true what you say, but this gives WEEKS OF PRIORITY? THIS REALLY MAKES ANY SENSE? They've had months to earn the money, so they don't have the RIGHT to give them now weeks and weeks to buy a house, 1 week ok, but more? wich is the point dude? there's no point on that. And if you think it has, you are wrong, why? For what i've said, THEY'VE HAD MONTHS TO EARN THAT MONEY.

[TwistedTea]

2) An FC-house - in theory - benefits many people, a personal one doesnt
3) Certain FC-functions are locked behind owning a house

In theory.

In actual practice, people have already created shell FCs to buy desirable plots. (Goodbye,all the Shiro 30/60s )

Since you only need 4 characters in an FC to purchase a plot,all of which can be your alts.

After purchasing the house, 3 of the remaining characters can go on to buy a house with a 4th and so on and so forth. A single service account can end up owning 8 FC houses per server.

Locking FC content like airships/submarines/workshop behind FC housing was a significant lack of foresight on SE's part, since these generate millions of gil a week when everything is ranked up and running at full steam.

Don't even need FC members for FC crafting. They can be from different servers/trial account characters etc.

The distribution of the benefits of such FC content, comes down to hoping you have good FC leaders/officers for normal FC members.

So I don't buy the argument that FCs should have priority over individuals when often only the FC leader and their inner circle benefit.

Granted,sometimes only the FC leader and a few people are doing all the work.

Even if people don't create shell FCs to flip the houses later on, just the fact that FC houses are significant gil generating assets makes them more valuable than a personal plot.

SE should make gardening available through apartments.

Content like the airships/submarines,workshop should be made available for individual players through the main cities. A few people should not be allowed to monopolize such assets.