We need an ilvl/gear requirement for leveling dungeons

[Dzian]

The solution is so easy. And no its not minimum ilvl. Its a little bit of awareness. To make people see that it takes maybe only a few days of even only running 1 msq roulette dungeon per day to get the poetics for i260/i270 gear as soon as you complete the past 3.0 quest, and i390/i400 gear once you complete the last 4.0 quest. And with secondary jobs, you can do some pre planning too to get the poetics gear well before you get to lv. 60 or 70. And so on you can pre plan a little too for the i120/i130 phase at lv. 50 though this may be a little trickier if its your 1st class to 50. Stop rushing, start thinking.

Keywords: pre-planning and poetics.

That's not a solution though. If anything it only emphasizes the problem of longevity.

If your level 70 and run MSQ roulette once a day for "maybe a few days" then by the time you got the tomes for that full set of level 70 gear you'll have most likely also gotten enough experience to push you right up to 75-76 and thus no longer worth getting that gear. you'll be 80 in a few more msqs anyway..

[IttyBitty]

That's not a solution though if anything it only emphasises the problem of longevity.

If your level 70 and run msq roulette once a day for "maybe a few days" then by the time you got the times for that set of level 70 gear you'll have most likely gotten enough experience to push you right upto 75-76 and thus no longer worth getting that gear

Scaevan gear is good enough for all dungeons from levels 71 to 79 (ie expert dungeon minimum ilevel is 410? everything else would be lower). It's not optimal but it's perfectly acceptable.

[Kisshu]

That's not a solution though. If anything it only emphasizes the problem of longevity.

If your level 70 and run MSQ roulette once a day for "maybe a few days" then by the time you got the tomes for that full set of level 70 gear you'll have most likely also gotten enough experience to push you right up to 75-76 and thus no longer worth getting that gear. you'll be 80 in a few more msqs anyway..

That would be going by the assumption that they're lv 70 ready to go into ShB with low ilv gear. But it should be a person hitting lv 70 and then while going trough 4.1 to 4.5 they would get the tomestones for the Scaeven gear naturally from then lv 70 dungeons and maybe some Roulettes.

[Dzian]

That would be going by the assumption that they're lv 70 ready to go into ShB with low ilv gear. But it should be a person hitting lv 70 and then while going trough 4.1 to 4.5 they would get the tomestones for the Scaeven gear naturally from then lv 70 dungeons and maybe some Roulettes.

Perhaps but it still comes down to longevity. as the earlier poster said just doing msq roulettes "for a few days" would get them that gear.. but at 45+ minutes a time for i dunno 5 maybe 6 days. thats 4.5 hours of msq roulettes for a set of gear that you might get an hours actual use out of in your other daily roulettes if you got lucky and got 2-3 level appropriate dungeons taking 20 mins each on average... the rest of those roulettes whatever you have is pretty much going to be fine..

the gear just isnt worth getting if it takes 3 times as much time to get it as it will potentially be good for.. this isn't a new problem either the same has been true in HW and SB.

[Kuroka]

One solution would be to not nerv exp all the time. If we'd take just as long to level as everyone did and the gear would have its use... ik they need rewards for ppl moving there but the heck i saw players from twintani gettin 3 levelups in one dungeon... or met ppl on like 75 that still are mid HW.

[Ifrinne]

That's not a solution though. If anything it only emphasizes the problem of longevity.

If your level 70 and run MSQ roulette once a day for "maybe a few days" then by the time you got the tomes for that full set of level 70 gear you'll have most likely also gotten enough experience to push you right up to 75-76 and thus no longer worth getting that gear. you'll be 80 in a few more msqs anyway..

Correct but that means you started late. What holds one back from doing that MSQ run everyday from the moment you have 1 class above 50. Then you might have the gear even before Lv. 60 or 70. Its like... 30-50mins of idling about to eventually get very good gear for free. Which can be used again if you level another class in the same category.

[Dzian]

Correct but that means you started late. What holds one back from doing that MSQ run everyday from the moment you have 1 class above 50. Then you might have the gear even before Lv. 60 or 70. Its like... 30-50mins of idling about to eventually get very good gear for free. Which can be used again if you level another class in the same category.

I'd argue the time frame.. the msq roulette can easily take an hour of your day if you count queue times. and I think many people have a very long list of things they'd rather spend that hour doing. i.e progressing in the story if they're literally just dinging 50 and wanting to get caught up.

spend that hour doing something productive like progress the story. or spend it grinding for gear you might never actually make any real use of..

not a tough decision really.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I want to point out, at least IMO, problems with the minimum Ilvl requirement.

- NQ vs HQ. For example, during the whole ShB augmented scaevan gear is much better than any NQ piece.

- The importance of the left side over the right side. A tank still using 270 left side but with up to date right side is not fun to play/heal past Bardam's Mettle.

- Inconsistences with the gear scaling. NQ Birch Longbow lag behind 4 damage points compared to augmented ironwork (53 vs 57). In this case, you are better off keeping augmented ironwork, yet the rest of the left side pieces are, in general, better. Something similar happens with augmented shire vs NQ zelkova longbow (84 vs 81).

- HQ gear from the markerboard can be quite expensive. With the current levelling speed is hard to justify.

Anyway, don't get me wrong, the current problem should be fixed and I encourage people to kick any player that is unreasonable undergeared for the content at hand. If you ask me the only expansion that the full augmented set won't last till the end is SB. Once you hit 66 all your left side should be up to date, even then you can keep right side and weapon. Is the expansion with the bigger stat jump, in contrast, HW can be clear with any major problem as long as the tank pulls at a reasonable pace.

Edit: don't be lazy and acquire all the augmented ironworks, shire and scavean. There is zero justification for not having it, in special scavean.

You have my favorite post in this thread so far.

[RoyalBeef]

I'd argue the time frame.. the msq roulette can easily take an hour of your day if you count queue times. and I think many people have a very long list of things they'd rather spend that hour doing. i.e progressing in the story if they're literally just dinging 50 and wanting to get caught up.

spend that hour doing something productive like progress the story. or spend it grinding for gear you might never actually make any real use of..

not a tough decision really.

Well, lock them out then. You can't have the cake and eat it. So either you gear up your 2nd job, OR you progress through MSQ. When you only have 1 hour to play, there's your decision to make. Don't start an alt job if you don't have the time to gear it up.

[Flay_wind]

I'd argue the time frame.. the msq roulette can easily take an hour of your day if you count queue times. and I think many people have a very long list of things they'd rather spend that hour doing. i.e progressing in the story if they're literally just dinging 50 and wanting to get caught up.

spend that hour doing something productive like progress the story. or spend it grinding for gear you might never actually make any real use of..

not a tough decision really.

I started playing when Shadowbringers launched and finished Post Stormblood yesterday. /playtime is 18 days 14 hours.
I leveled 3 jobs to 70+ and currently working on a fourth from time to time. I did MSQ runs for exp/poetics, did a lot of sidequests, did optional dungeons and the like. Recently finished Omega raid.
Augmented Poetics gear can last you quite a bit of time into the next expansion. Imo, FF XIV is not a game to be rushed to the next level since there's so much stuff to do.
If you feel obligated to get to the Endgame asap then by all means do it. MSQ practically spoonfeeds you HQ gear for one physical/caster class anyway. You're likely to get at least something from the dungeons on the way.