Bard's Thematic Future

[Suniva]

Ahh I see. You want a musician type class. So then what would become of bard? Or are you still trying to say the musician type class gets introduced to appease those who want a music orientated class and those that want ranger get to keep what exists currently from bard? Because I play bard for it being the way it is. I can play music in cities, sure. But the premise behind the bard was to be a hybrid of sorts and I've never had a problem with that. I think a majority of players that enjoy bard for what it is are comfortable enough that there isn't really a need for a type of musician class that you highlighted. I could be wrong though because yours is honestly the first post I've seen on the topic of bard that goes into details about a musician type job.

[ty_taurus]

Ahh I see. You want a musician type class. So then what would become of bard? Or are you still trying to say the musician type class gets introduced to appease those who want a music orientated class and those that want ranger get to keep what exists currently from bard?

Bard would stay the same

[Suniva]

Then I don't understand why you felt the need to quote me on a particular post that was made as a general statement.

[SaitoHikari]

Okay I will admit (and not quote since mobile site sucks), that initial concept is good.

Although fleshing it out is the hard part. How does your class respond to downtime, for one? Also, I don’t agree with that one ability not stacking with Technical Step, because that automatically means you don’t want a specific party composition. There isn’t a single class in the game that has buffs that don’t interact with those of another.

Regardless, I think I can exit the thread otherwise, now that we’ve firmly established that the Bard class should remain untouched - as that's really all our particular side asked for.

[AnimaAnimus]

I never understood why brd has moves like venom shot. Wouldn't that just be better as a dot caused by a song? It could do the same thing, on the same gcd, etc but instead of an arrow we pull out the harp.

Not everything having to do with bard has to be buffs and boons. There is no reason bard songs couldn't be weapons in and of themselves and a simple 1-2-3 bow rotation with maybe a big 4 and 5. You could literally make bard a full dps with no support if you get creative and think outside of the box. It could also be made to function similar to dnc where you have to hit notes instead of steps for X Y or Z buff with the climax of the song causing dmg.

There is so much we can do with these jobs, but so many just look at this tiny range because bard HAS to be this. No it doesn't...it really doesn't

[DPZ2]

There is so much we can do with these jobs, but so many just look at this tiny range because bard HAS to be this. No it doesn't...it really doesn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reGuIc3i2IE

< tongue firmly in cheek >

[LunaFaelyn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reGuIc3i2IE

< tongue firmly in cheek >

LOL! I'd have to mute my game. Everytime he uses a skill, I die laughing.

[Rika007]

Snip

You're right. Bard doesn't have to be the support/dps hybrid that players want. It can be whatever the hell the devs come up with. And we as the players will have to put up with it or leave over it.

Issue is, that's not what Bard in XIV has been about. In XIV, in both it's own history, and it's lore, it is a job that has always walked the line between damage dealer and party supporter. And for those of us who have loved the job for that over the past 6 years, we want to see it remain that way. I don't want a Bard who is as you said: "Full DPS with no support", with "a simple 1, 2, 3 bow rotation." I don't want Bard to get a Machinist make over and just make it the same way they made machinist now. That's not what I have grown to love over the course of this game and why I spent time learning the job.

I really honestly can't understand all these mains of other jobs coming and telling us Bard mains who have loved and gained this job for 6 years now that "So what the job has always been like that, your opinion doesn't matter anymore, stop trying to get back what you like. Other people want this and you need to give up on what you want." No, we are quite happy with what Bard has always been, and just want it to go back to that.

[SaitoHikari]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reGuIc3i2IE

< tongue firmly in cheek >

Ah, yes. The infamous shout mage.

...I kinda want to design a boss that basically just shouts at you, and dodging mechanics just consists of trying to find something to plug up your ears.

Except it comes with the bonus of turning off the game’s sounds. The music, the UI, everything. Have fun!

[AnimaAnimus]

snip.

Sorry, I am not saying brd should go all out dps. I was just trying to make an example of how it potentially could due to lack of any real limitations outside those we place on ourselves.

I think brd should have some support elements, but I would also like to see some of its standard bow moves, like venom shot, turned into songs and the bow could just have a standard rotation. It would make bard feel more thematically like a bard and there is no real reason a bard couldn't use a tune to do the same things as venom shot or bloodletter, even moves like raging strikes and head graze.

They default to making things bow related when they should default to making them song related is what I was trying to get at.