Bard's Thematic Future

[Suniva]

I will keep saying it, over and over again if I must.
But leave the bard job alone.
Just because you don't have YOUR ranger class doesn't mean that you get to hijack bard to get what you want.

You can advocate for a new range class, you can come up with the skills and such that you would like to see; but those of you advocating that BARD has to be the one to get stripped and remade (even though in SE's own lore it refers to bards as bowman of eld) while your ranger gets to keep everything that bard is now are being selfish and ignoring a large portion of those of us that have mained the job for years.

I'll admit I'm a super casual player, I don't have ultimate clears, and have only started attempting savage this tier, in all my years playing. I'm am simply very passionate about my class and really don't understand with all the jobs available in the game for a person to pick why some players feel adamant about arguing for the gutting of ONE particular class simply so they can enjoy the bow and arrow aesthetic in the game. Like it really astounds me that the underlying premise behind the majority of the arguments being made to gut bard is simply because those people want the bow and arrow type class to play like other bow and arrow type classes in other games. (Not to be THAT person, but FFXIV is FFXIV and other games are different games. Each game has their own unique classes with their own unique abilities. SE decided to go the route of bard in their vision in this game, if you can't respect that, then there are other games available for you to choose from.)

Now again, not to be that person, but the option available to those who simply want to keep the bow and arrow aesthetic that also offers the least amount of resistance AND that would be most feasible would be to advocate for a new job, as it will more than likely follow the current trend that it will be placed in game 20 levels below the current expansions level and you can just pick up and play. Just because YOU (general) don't like something doesn't mean that they people who DO like what has been in place for years should have to sacrifice in order to cater to YOUR wants.

[ty_taurus]

I will keep saying it, over and over again if I must.
But leave the bard job alone.
Just because you don't have YOUR ranger class doesn't mean that you get to hijack bard to get what you want.

You can advocate for a new range class, you can come up with the skills and such that you would like to see; but those of you advocating that BARD has to be the one to get stripped and remade (even though in SE's own lore it refers to bards as bowman of eld) while your ranger gets to keep everything that bard is now are being selfish and ignoring a large portion of those of us that have mained the job for years.

I'll admit I'm a super casual player, I don't have ultimate clears, and have only started attempting savage this tier, in all my years playing. I'm am simply very passionate about my class and really don't understand with all the jobs available in the game for a person to pick why some players feel adamant about arguing for the gutting of ONE particular class simply so they can enjoy the bow and arrow aesthetic in the game. Like it really astounds me that the majority of the arguments being made to gut bard is simply because people want the bow and arrow type class to play like other bow and arrow type classes in other games. (Not to be THAT person, but FFXIV is FFXIV and other games are different games. Each game has their own unique classes with their own unique abilities. SE decided to go the route of bard in their vision in this game, if you can't respect that, then there are other games available for you to choose from.)

Now again, not to be that person, but the option available to those who simply want to keep the bow and arrow aesthetic that also offers the least amount of resistance AND that would be most feasible would be to advocate for a new job, as it will more than likely follow the current trend that it will be placed in game 20 levels below the current expansions level and you can just pick up and play. Just because YOU (general) don't like something doesn't mean that they people who DO like what has been in place for years should have to sacrifice in order to cater to YOUR wants.

The build was for a new job fyi... not Bard

[Suniva]

The build was for a new job fyi... not Bard

I have never said I was against anyone advocating for a new job, so long as you leave bard alone as it is. It needs some tlc, sure, but that's all. It was a general statement that was made because I keep seeing the same underlying issue presented in arguments, that issue being SE's FFXIV vision of a bow and arrow wielder doesn't satisfy some. So rather than those players moving on to different jobs available in game that they can enjoy, they push for their own wants, choosing to remain blind that there is an existing player base that has no problem with SE's vision of the class and enjoy it for what it is.

[ty_taurus]

I have never said I was against anyone advocating for a new job, so long as you leave bard alone as it is. It needs some tlc, sure, but that's all.



I'm also eagerly awaiting your ideas to see what you can come up, since very few have been willingly to accept the challenge and I have seen very little offered in terms of this route.

That idea was what I came up with. Basically you have a musician of some type, probably with a Flute since Harp is taken, and your kit revolves around your basic combo options and accumulating Notes you can spend on oGCDs like Concerto which rivals Technical Step, i.e. making this job the counterpart to Dancer, and others like Soul Etude and Black Requiem. You can also forgo Note generation on a combo-to-combo basis by replacing your finisher with other special actions that do other things like apply a DoT you manage, generate a HoT to help healers when they're struggling, or do high single target damage when the action is off cool down. Much like a song, you're playing a set of basic notes, but as a master musician, you improvise with tunes that best fit the situation.

[Suniva]

Ahh I see. You want a musician type class. So then what would become of bard? Or are you still trying to say the musician type class gets introduced to appease those who want a music orientated class and those that want ranger get to keep what exists currently from bard? Because I play bard for it being the way it is. I can play music in cities, sure. But the premise behind the bard was to be a hybrid of sorts and I've never had a problem with that. I think a majority of players that enjoy bard for what it is are comfortable enough that there isn't really a need for a type of musician class that you highlighted. I could be wrong though because yours is honestly the first post I've seen on the topic of bard that goes into details about a musician type job.

[ty_taurus]

Ahh I see. You want a musician type class. So then what would become of bard? Or are you still trying to say the musician type class gets introduced to appease those who want a music orientated class and those that want ranger get to keep what exists currently from bard?

Bard would stay the same

[Suniva]

Then I don't understand why you felt the need to quote me on a particular post that was made as a general statement.