Can we please ban advertisements for selling clears from PF?

[Vnolan]

It is not allowed, just impossible to prove.

SE doesn't have to prove anything, it's their service. If it wasn't allowed the ads would be taken down. Like parsing, they can't officially endorse it, but as long as you keep the info to private channels they don't have a problem with it.

[Crushnight]

SE doesn't have to prove anything, it's their service. If it wasn't allowed the ads would be taken down. Like parsing, they can't officially endorse it, but as long as you keep the info to private channels they don't have a problem with it.

So what proof does SE have to take the ads down from pf, SE cannot just go nope you are selling stuff for rl money based on hunches, they get sued, as annoying as they are without hard in game proof of them actively selling runs for rl money(they have to say it within the game so gl with that) SE cannot do anything despite it being against ToS.

[NanaWiloh]

So what proof does SE have to take the ads down from pf, SE cannot just go nope you are selling stuff for rl money based on hunches, they get sued, as annoying as they are without hard in game proof of them actively selling runs for rl money(they have to say it within the game so gl with that) SE cannot do anything despite it being against ToS.

They can remove whatever they wish from the game. Removing a PF advertisement will not get them sued. What is it with people now adays and trying to file lawsuits over anything and everything.

Go to any lawyer and they will laugh you out of the office for trying to file a law suit cause a game company removed your party listing from their game. The game runs on their servers so they have the right to remove anything on that server including your party listing.

[Vnolan]

So what proof does SE have to take the ads down from pf

They don't need any. GMs and the STF need proof, but that's only because of the rules set for them.

SE cannot just go nope you are selling stuff for rl money based on hunches

Yes they can. They can say they've become aware of the loopholes being used for account piloting and real money sales and have decided to no longer allow content selling listings in the PF. They haven't done this so clearly they are allowed.

Remember they had proof of harassment going on in Feast and they would have proof of harassment involve parsing, yet Feast chat was removed and any mention of parsing puts you at risk.

Parsing can be openly talked about without repercussion in any setting that does not allow harassment

Absolutely not. How do people still not get this? If it's against the ToS, if you get reported for it and if SE has proof, you will be penalized.

Pretend that instead of the current number of ads, there are about 50, all for services that accept real money and worded as they are now. Either nothing changes and RMT is allowed if kept to outside channels, or SE decides to do something, but if they did, what stops them from doing something now?

[Lambdafish]

SE doesn't have to prove anything, it's their service. If it wasn't allowed the ads would be taken down. Like parsing, they can't officially endorse it, but as long as you keep the info to private channels they don't have a problem with it.

Parsing can be openly talked about without repercussion in any setting that does not allow harassment, and is such a complicated topic that it is a bad example to use.

Basically the rule with parsing is that "Third party applications that read data are not allowed", this means parsing is not allowed, but this is only on a technicality. The target of this rule is things like hunt trackers, botting tools, and market trackers, that would give players a fundamental advantage over other players. Yoshi P has publicly acknowledged the value of parsers in high end raiding scene across the entire MMO landscape, and has unofficially deemed parsers fine "so long as you keep it to yourself and don't harass people".

RMT is not allowed, period. thats what selling clears for real money is, it's a Real Money Transaction, and any mention of it ingame will get you banned. The ads however, do not endorse RMT, only the service, and therefore adhere to the terms of service. Programs like discord are completely allowed, and any mention of them is perfectly fine, and people will get away with it if they take it to private channels, in that sense you are right that talking about RMT in these channels is perfectly allowed. The catch is though, while you don't have to adhere to the ToS, you are also not protected by it if you use these channels, and SE will not listen to you if you get burned by your actions.