Do SMN and BRD need 2 DoTs?

[Osmond]

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It's fine having BRD or SMN having 2 DoTs. I have a question, did you play this game back in ARR? Because if you haven't, you missed alot. You think having 2 DoT is taxing, try having 4 DoTs plus poison pots w/ contagion duration extend. Each expansion they just nerfed it down to make it easier for a SMN player dealing w/ DoT management, but keep them strong in the process and want to rely more on your pets..hmm more like to balance it between you and your pet. If they just give SMN or BRD just 1 DoT then that just make those jobs slowly lose identity of what they are supposed to be because they already lost enough as it is plus losing potency at the same time. They'll just be on the same boat as the healers and they don't want to further pissed off the players who main those jobs.

[Hasrat]

If they just give SMN or BRD just 1 DoT then that just make those jobs slowly lose identity of what they are supposed to be because they already lost enough as it is

Just arguing the other side here, but, a case could be made for DoTs not actually being a part of either job's "identity." They're just mechanics to upkeep. They're not pivotal to making a BRD feel like a BRD, or a SMN feel like a SMN. In fact, holding on to the DoTs too much can itself deprive the job of its intended identity. If it weren't for ACN/SMN relying on poisons from the start, maybe the job could've been designed to be an actual pet job, instead of a poison mage. And BRD? How's your singing/buffs looking this expansion? The way I've heard it, BRDs seem frustrated that they're not BRDing enough anymore.

But that argument starts moving a little too far into "completely redesign both the jobs" territory.

[Osmond]

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One of my /fc members is a brd main and he can agree with you on that the party buffs is lacking now that it resort to just relying on direct hit. Lost their purpose in burning MP for the dmg dealt song.......hmm, trying to remember what it was back in HW in the effect.

.....yeah, from the complete overhaul, that's what I kept thinking about. Well for BRD, not so much on their DoTs. They pretty much fine as they are once they kept using iron jaws to restart the timer. SMNs on the other hand, say if they were to just give them 1 DoT, it'll just make the class a bit more clunky to play, making it's rotation more awkward to deal with. Then will have to ask, what can they do to make it interesting for the userbase to accept a 1 DoT SMN? Give it a 100 potency a tick for 30secs, but the additional effect..or additional trait of enkindle where each crit tick, gives it a 30% chance in reducing the CD of enkindle by 5 secs, giving more purpose to use your pet more. I'm just spitballing ideas to justify it going to 1 DoT SMN...

[Suniva]

One of my /fc members is a brd main and he can agree with you on that the party buffs is lacking now that it resort to just relying on direct hit. Lost their purpose in burning MP for the dmg dealt song.......hmm, trying to remember what it was back in HW in the effect.

Foe's Requiem

[Osmond]

Foe's Requiem

Oops, sry I mean not the Stormblood effect on Foe's that it gives a 3% straight dmg dealt buff, it was something else...I can't seem to remember it.

[HyoMinPark]

Oops, sry I mean not the Stormblood effect on Foe's that it gives a 3% straight dmg dealt buff, it was something else...I can't seem to remember it.

The HW effect of Foe Requiem was +10% magic vulnerability on the target(s).