We need an ilvl/gear requirement for leveling dungeons

[Noitems]

I actually find the most depressing part of this story is the fact that you're running a parser on casual dungeon content.

I feel the intent is for personal optimization but the end result gets lumped into a party optimization through damage and gear. I do feel that people (whether the intent is justified or not) tend to harp on underperformers far more when parsing in this way as they are affecting their own experience.

At least in casual content I'm a big fan of the good ol mentality of looking at people's gear, what they're doing and seeing how long the pulls take as a whole. Offering advice (if people are willing to listen) for better optimization is a nice gesture and if people to take it to heart, awesome.

I'll admit I've had times where I wish I had some actual record of some of my runs.I've had some fantastic Akademia runs in Expert rou where the bosses just melted because everyone was doing so well, and was very interested especially if someone is playing a job I also play as well. I'm usually tanking so when I see a MNK or a SAM tearing through these bosses I'd love to see the numbers of how much dps they did.

[Nora_of_Mira]

I actually find the most depressing part of this story is the fact that you're running a parser on casual dungeon content.

10/10 times it was on because I just finished raiding and was too lazy to turn it off.

[LalaRu]

I feel the intent is for personal optimization but the end result gets lumped into a party optimization through damage and gear. I do feel that people (whether the intent is justified or not) tend to harp on underperformers...

Optimization? Performance? We are talking of DUTY FINDER, man. PUGS!!!!!!
Are you really serious?

[Noitems]

Optimization? Performance? We are talking of DUTY FINDER, man. PUGS!!!!!!
Are you really serious?

I mean, are you serious?

What's wrong with someone personally wanting to improve themselves through Duty Finder?

[SerLuke]

I actually find the most depressing part of this story is the fact that you're running a parser on casual dungeon content.

It’s pretty ironic because he claims he is doing it for his own improvement then he rants about the BLMs low performance than he brags about heading The Sirensong Sea when he was severely undergeared which was drastically lower his ability to DPS as well as his DPS itself. I wonder how much fun he would have been having if everyone else was as undergeared as he was causing multiple wipes.

[Astrus]

With SE's stance on trying to avoid ilevel requirements for leveling duties the only other solution I can think of would be enabling ilevel sync both ways.
Gear that's too far ahead of the duty already gets scaled down (how wonky the level of sync is at times is another story entirely) so they could just enable upscaling, preferably to the level of the previous dungeon's drops, for gear that doesn't meet what the minimum requirements for the duty should be.

That still leaves issues with empty slots and people using the wrong kind of gear for their job but it would at least be a start.

[Missbone]

I don't mind if ppl use stuff like parser just for themself for comparison or improving their own playstyle. But as soon you start bullying ppl with that shit or feel the urge to tell them how they should play without beeing asked you should get a perma ban for this game. Offering a advice is ok, but don't bother them if they don't want to hear it.

[Nora_of_Mira]

With SE's stance on trying to avoid ilevel requirements for leveling duties the only other solution I can think of would be enabling ilevel sync both ways.
Gear that's too far ahead of the duty already gets scaled down (how wonky the level of sync is at times is another story entirely) so they could just enable upscaling, preferably to the level of the previous dungeon's drops, for gear that doesn't meet what the minimum requirements for the duty should be.

That still leaves issues with empty slots and people using the wrong kind of gear for their job but it would at least be a start.

if they did this, when whats the point of having gear every 2 levels if I can use the gear I got from lvl70 all the way until 80. Not saying its the worst idea or that I have a better one, but like Yoshi said, theres a lot problems that come up trying to fix this.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

It’s pretty ironic because he claims he is doing it for his own improvement then he rants about the BLMs low performance than he brags about heading The Sirensong Sea when he was severely undergeared which was drastically lower his ability to DPS as well as his DPS itself. I wonder how much fun he would have been having if everyone else was as undergeared as he was causing multiple wipes.

1. Just because I primarily use it to check myself doesn't render me oblivious to how others did. In fact, as a healer, I have to take party performance into account because how much I need to heal impacts my DPS and sometimes overheal.
1a. I provided the numbers in support of observations I made, the same sort of observations people in this very thread have talked about. But because I added a qualitative check of my assessment, having not harassed the players involved or identified them beyond the abstraction of job, I'm "depressing?"
1b. There's a big difference between me putting in the effort to heal while undergeared, and succeeding while still adding substantial dps (more than some overgeared healers I've seen), and a player whose only job is to add damage doing less than a healer, and not even because of gear, after 73 levels worth of time to learn even the basics of a rotation.

2. I'd wager I could have healed an entire party as undergeared as I was in Siren with single pulls. I was not maxed out in that run, I was still far from 100% healing uptime. Don't underestimate how severely undertuned much of this game's incoming damage is; it's why I get bored and did something like this to begin with.

[Astrus]

if they did this, when whats the point of having gear every 2 levels if I can use the gear I got from lvl70 all the way until 80. Not saying its the worst idea or that I have a better one, but like Yoshi said, theres a lot problems that come up trying to fix this.

Questing in the overworld and the solo quest instances come to mind.
It's not perfect but at least that way people who use gear from 2 expansions ago only hinder their own ability to progress and not the unfortunate strangers' they get matched with as well.

Every other solution I can think of, aside from plain ilevel requirements for leveling dungeons, breaks things even more.